By Aaron Blumer Sep 09 2011 Adam and EveA letter from Adam And Eve to Al Mohler 1864 reads There are 5 Comments Horde of strawmen Aaron Blumer - Fri, 09/09/2011 - 6:51am It's been a long time since I saw that many fallacies in such a small space. Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me. Quote: It's been a long time Brenda T - Fri, 09/09/2011 - 8:39am Quote: It's been a long time since I saw that many fallacies in such a small space. That's typical of Bailes' writing. Here are a couple of his other gems. Quote: If we are created in the image of God, if we are tiny reflections or tiny windows through which we see the divine face, wouldn’t God be gay at some level? . . . the Kingdom of God is not a place, but a reality that we must make present here. That Kingdom includes Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Christians, and every person that has been decreed loved by God. To put it simply: humanity. And he's an ordained Baptist minister in his third year of the Wake Forest M.Div. program. Missing the point . . . . RPittman - Fri, 09/09/2011 - 10:45am Bailes wrote: God pronounced creation “good” . . . Romans 8:21-23 King James Version (KJV) 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Bailes wrote: . . . and Jesus pronounced the world worthy of love. Romans 5:7-8 King James Version (KJV) 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 1 John 4:9-10 King James Version (KJV) 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. This is why most MDiv students SamH - Fri, 09/09/2011 - 3:33pm ummm, I'll leave it unsaid... SamH Seminary Aaron Blumer - Sat, 09/10/2011 - 6:57am What ought to be happening in any MDiv program is training students to identify and refute the fallacies in the kind of stuff Bailes writes, if they haven't acquired that skill already. The fallacy in the headline quote is probably the biggest, though the entire piece relies on taking terms Mohler (and orthodox Christianity in general) use one way, redefining them, then refuting the redefinition. There's a shorthand for this ruse but I can't remember the name just now. [Edit: it's just the old straw man fallacy. ] Anyway, the Christian faith does not teach that Adam & Even sinned with the conscious intent of doing it for anyone else. It does teach they, in fact, did sin for the entire race. Rom.5:12 Close on the heels of that one, Bailes misrepresents a closely related tenet of the Christian faith: that what happened as the result of Adam's sin is what makes Christ's death on the cross necessary and meaningful (Rom.5:17 for example). Bailes turns this into "We also didn’t sin in order to make relevant the work of someone born thousands of years after us." But nobody teaches that A & E looked at the forbidden fruit and thought "Let's sin so we can make the death of Christ meaningful." On and on it goes. The writer is either profoundly ignorant of what he's answering, or incapable of clear thinking, or knows he is being deceitful. Not for me to decide which, but I'd rather be an idiot than a liar. Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.