Charismatic Church Leader, Dogged by Scandal, to Stop Preaching for Now
Charismatic Church Leader, Dogged by Scandal, to Stop Preaching for Now The announcement came after his wife, Vanessa Long, 53, filed for divorce Thursday. Friday, she recanted after “prayerful reflection” but later in the day changed her mind and said she did intend to end their marriage of 21 years. They have four children.
Creflo Dollar speaking to his church members makes a shocking statement about Eddie Long’s situation - http://youtu.be/5ilW5WSnqpE] YouTube Video
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An amazing quote from one of his church members (from AJC)
“What he does in his personal time, he does,” said Adrian Jackson, a New Birth member for 21 years. “As long as he’s in there preaching, that’s what matters to me.”
“What he does in his personal time, he does,” said Adrian Jackson, a New Birth member for 21 years. “As long as he’s in there preaching, that’s what matters to me.”
Greg,
I don’t think it’s all that amazing. FBF churches are rife with personality worship, and it’s not just the big churches. Myriad smaller churches evaluate their pastor on the warm fuzzies he produces rather than the biblical parameters laid down by Paul.
I don’t think it’s all that amazing. FBF churches are rife with personality worship, and it’s not just the big churches. Myriad smaller churches evaluate their pastor on the warm fuzzies he produces rather than the biblical parameters laid down by Paul.
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
[Chip Van Emmerik] Greg,Assuming FBF means Fundamental Baptist Fellowship, I would assume a statement that caustic has some overwhelming evidence other than “I think it to be true; therefore, it is true.” Now would be the time to be forthcoming with that evidence.
I don’t think it’s all that amazing. FBF churches are rife with personality worship, and it’s not just the big churches. Myriad smaller churches evaluate their pastor on the warm fuzzies he produces rather than the biblical parameters laid down by Paul.
Lee
Lee
In all honesty, I meant to type IFB, not FBF. However, the statement is still true, though perhaps not to quite the same degree. I have been a member of FBF or FBF churches for most of the last 40 years. I have ministered in FBF churches, including serving as senior pastor. My point is to continue the discussion, so I am not going to throw specific men/ministries under the bus. However, I believe my personal experience substantiates the claim beyond “I think it to be true; therefore, it is true.” The point is that we not get sidetracked talking about how bad “they” are and fail to consider our own flaws.
In all honesty, I meant to type IFB, not FBF. However, the statement is still true, though perhaps not to quite the same degree. I have been a member of FBF or FBF churches for most of the last 40 years. I have ministered in FBF churches, including serving as senior pastor. My point is to continue the discussion, so I am not going to throw specific men/ministries under the bus. However, I believe my personal experience substantiates the claim beyond “I think it to be true; therefore, it is true.” The point is that we not get sidetracked talking about how bad “they” are and fail to consider our own flaws.
Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?
Even inserting IFB instead of FBF, that is still a pretty broad and largely (as yet) unsubstantiated assessment. I will not dispute that there are some (more likely, a few) in the IFB circles that could be described as personality worshipers. But “rife with personality worship….?” That statement is beyond the pale.
I would no more assess the CE’s as largely personality worshipers on the basis of my own experience than I am content to let you label IFB’s as such, even though I am pretty sure I can find a lot more preachers’/lay member kids named Piper than I could named Vaughn, or Jack, or Bob, or whoever.
I would no more assess the CE’s as largely personality worshipers on the basis of my own experience than I am content to let you label IFB’s as such, even though I am pretty sure I can find a lot more preachers’/lay member kids named Piper than I could named Vaughn, or Jack, or Bob, or whoever.
Lee
This church we are discussing here is not IBF or FBF.
[GregH] This church we are discussing here is not IBF or FBF.
True, but he probably named his kid Piper……………………………….
Joke. I’ll behave and let the discussion get back to ripping some high-profile spiritual derelict.
Lee
It is my conviction that the principle, “To whom much is given, of him shall much be required,” while spoken in a parable, is still an operative principle. Those of us called of God and the congregation to give leadership should be expected to be held to a brighter spotlight and a higher standard. I Timothy 3 sets forth a rather comprehensive set of expectations.
When we recognize our weaknesses, let us rejoice in the grace of God, but let us not presume upon His graciousness.
I would not endorse any of this man’s ministry, but we must be careful about aiming all our guns at what we disagree with, thereby ignoring our own foibles.
When we recognize our weaknesses, let us rejoice in the grace of God, but let us not presume upon His graciousness.
I would not endorse any of this man’s ministry, but we must be careful about aiming all our guns at what we disagree with, thereby ignoring our own foibles.
Dick Dayton
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