Bob Gray and Russ Anderson launch Independent Baptist College

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DavidO's picture

I doubt I would move my family to sit under another man’s ministry, not because they are not good men, but because they are not Jack Hyles. He was the draw to those us back then. It was like coming for a four year Pastor’s School degree. We wanted to study the man and his ministry.

Blech.

pvawter's picture

DavidO wrote:

I doubt I would move my family to sit under another man’s ministry, not because they are not good men, but because they are not Jack Hyles. He was the draw to those us back then. It was like coming for a four year Pastor’s School degree. We wanted to study the man and his ministry.

Blech.


I thought the same thing when I read that. How much damage has been done in the name of Christ by men who followed anyone but Him!

DavidO's picture

PV,

you should read the PDF letter Larry Nelson linked.  He practically prays to St. Jack, not to mention refers to his teaching as authoritative the way you and I would refer to Paul's.

Double blech. 

 

Ron Bean's picture

If the "he" you want to be preeminent is Jack Hyles or King James, this is the place for you! I didn't see a mention of Jesus in either of these pitiful epistles. I was reminded of an old issue of Sword of the Lord that had over 100 churches in their church ad section with plenty of pictures of pastors (in their younger days) and not a mention of the Savior. Man worship at its best.

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan

pvawter's picture

Ok, that letter was awful. I feel sick to my stomach with the realization that the words of Jack Schaap as quoted by Anderson were the only reasonable statements I could agree with in the whole thing.
Also, it strikes me as a bit hypocritical that Anderson would write a letter to Jack Hyles, presumably in heaven, but would no doubt reject the Catholic doctrine of praying to Mary or the saints!
I really shouldn't have read that this late at night. Smile

Mark_Smith's picture

I appreciate the weirdness of this situation, but in all fairness Anderson was not "praying to" Hyles, he was talking to him. He tried to justify it by citing the Hebrews 12 verse and comparing this to how often Hyles "talked to his mother" in the pulpit.

Is it weird? Yes.

Is it prayer in the sense that Catholics petition Mary or Saints to pray to God on their behalf by using the merit they accumulated in their lifetimes? Manifestly no.

DavidO's picture

Mark,

Please allow for some hyperbole in my expression, which I did qualify with "practically".  The point is it was really weird.  And Anderson's point was that people ought to defer to the teaching of Hyles as authoritative because Hyles was unquestionably more knowledgeable than anyone (e.g. Schaap) that came after.

Did I say "blech"?

rdl's picture

When I looked at the faculty page, I wondered what a "KJB Consultant" was. Is that a curious amalgam of KJV and KGB? 

I did a screenshot of her picture and title from their faculty page, but I don't know how to make it part of this comment.

Jay's picture

Are. You. Kidding. Me.

Gail Riplinger

Author of "New Age Bible Versions"?

Someone is still propping her up as a credible authority figure?  

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

dmyers's picture

dmyers wrote:

Is this the Bob Gray of child sexual abuse infamy?

I've figured out that was a different Bob Gray, who is now deceased.  Apologies for the irrelevant question.

Larry Nelson's picture

 

Jay wrote:

Are. You. Kidding. Me.

Gail Riplinger

Author of "New Age Bible Versions"?

Someone is still propping her up as a credible authority figure?  

 

Yes, "Dr." Gail Anne Ludwig Latessa Kaleda Riplinger still has somewhat of a following.....sigh.