By Jim May 21 2016 CrimeTwo local ministers, 30 others snared in prostitution, human trafficking sting Statement from Grace Baptist Church in Knoxville 2163 reads There are 12 Comments Pics Jim - Sat, 05/21/2016 - 7:12am http://www.local8now.com/content/news/TBI-Knoxville-Police-arrest-23-men... Information on Jim Worse than boilerplate Darren Mc - Sat, 05/21/2016 - 8:22pm I understand the need to ward off any lawsuit potential, but the statement from the church seems really weak. "Don't blame us! He passed our background check!" is not what the community needs to hear. In my view, Paul said that elders who sin before 2 or 3 witnesses should be rebuked before all. If the evidence does not rise to that level, then the church should have no comment. No wisdom, no understanding, and no counsel will prevail against the LORD. Proverbs 21:30 2 witnesses Jim - Sat, 05/21/2016 - 8:37pm According to a police report, Kennedy responded to a Backpage.com ad via text message. The report says Kennedy was made aware that there would be two girls present, one was 15 years old. He negotiated $100 for a half hour of sex with both girls. He was told to go to a gas station on Merchants Road for further instructions. Then he received instructions to go to a hotel room where the girls were. The report says he stated he wanted to have sex with both underage girls he thought were inside. He put the agreed upon $100 on the counter. He removed his pants and then law enforcement took him into custody. Information on Jim Darren Mc wrote: GregH - Sun, 05/22/2016 - 2:01pm Darren Mc wrote: In my view, Paul said that elders who sin before 2 or 3 witnesses should be rebuked before all. If the evidence does not rise to that level, then the church should have no comment. Seriously? So you get away with anything if you make sure you only sin in front of one person? Interesting application Darren Mc - Sun, 05/22/2016 - 2:22pm GregH wrote: Seriously? So you get away with anything if you make sure you only sin in front of one person? I was referring to this particular case, where an arrest has been announced but the entire case has not been laid out by the authorities. However it is clear from the news article (which I'll admit I did not read in detail) that there are multiple witnesses. If you think that's what Paul was saying in I Timothy 5, then by all means practice that in your church. No wisdom, no understanding, and no counsel will prevail against the LORD. Proverbs 21:30 More: Grace pastor appalled by children's pastor's arrest Jim - Sun, 05/22/2016 - 6:29pm http://www.local8now.com/content/news/Grace-Baptist-pastor-appalled-by-c... http://www.abc10.com/news/crime/childrens-minister-among-32-arrested-in-... Information on Jim Two witnesses? Bert Perry - Mon, 05/23/2016 - 9:40am I'm guessing that since the accused was nabbed in a police sting, there are far more than two witnesses. Not something I'm going to sweat here. It is also worth noting that as far as I can tell from my study of the word--I looked it up with Marvin Olasky said that 'eed (Strong's 5707) meant "eyewitness" for the sake of capital prosecutions--both eyewitness evidence and circumstantial evidence can be used for this purpose. The 1 Timothy 5 passage simply uses the Mosaic criterion for prosecution, really. So Biblically and judicially, it appears to be pretty much open and shut. I agree with Darren's comment about the church statement. I would have phrased it more like "While we have not received any complaints about behavior of this nature during his employment with the church, we have sent a note to all members and frequent attendees explaining the situation and asking them to provide any relevant information to the prosecuting attorney. We are fully aware that these things often do not occur in isolation, and we are fully committed to the justice process here." Two comments I have, is that: dgszweda - Mon, 05/23/2016 - 11:11am Two comments I have, is that: The pastor/teaching elder, really needs to examine the process around accountability and discipleship for his staff. Like he said in the interview, this doesn't happen overnight. There are always warning signs. The wife, made the statement that she had no clue. My take is that the wife had a clue but didn't want to believe it. There needs to be accountability in a marriage as well. Having grown up in a home where one parent led another life, while the revelation can be a bit shocking, the signs were there, and we chose to ignore them. Thank God He Was Caught In The Sting Joeb - Mon, 05/23/2016 - 7:46pm Guys lets be thankful to the Lord he was caught in the sting and hopefully there is no real victims out there. It appears the perp got taken down but where he really crossed the line was wanting the underage girl. Sadly this guy just threw his whole life away as a Pastor unless he goes to jail. Hopefully he will repent and if he has never been unfaithful n a physical sense he and his wife can reconcile. I think this is s good example where his home church should be firm with him but also loving and supportive of his wife most importantly and the offending Pastor. If this guy is truly remorseful than the church should be fully supportitive of him and restore him but under a watchful eye. This guy should not be shunned and feel like all is lost. It was bad enough that Pastor and Prof in New Orleans committed sucide. I guess my question to you guys is do you agree with my assessment. Agree? Depends on meaning of "restoration" Jim - Mon, 05/23/2016 - 8:35pm Joeb wrote: If this guy is truly remorseful than the church should be fully supportive of him and restore him but under a watchful eye. This guy should not be shunned and feel like all is lost. It was bad enough that Pastor and Prof in New Orleans committed suicide. I guess my question to you guys is do you agree with my assessment. Agree: "This guy should not be shunned and feel like all is lost" Never again a pastor! "fully supportive of him and restore him but under a watchful eye" Restore the repentant to fellowship! But disqualified to the office! He should never work with children (should become a registered sex offender) Information on Jim Too early to tell Bert Perry - Tue, 05/24/2016 - 9:27am It is my hope and prayer that Joe is correct that this man was caught before his sin turned physical, but it strikes me that answering this question is why the police, not to mention smart churches, do investigations. So pray for the church members, because a number of them are most likely going to have the "full body cavity exam" to figure out where this went wrong. (not literally, but rhetorically speaking) Once Shaken Out No Other Offense Joeb - Tue, 05/24/2016 - 7:05pm Jim has it dialed in what should be done if there is nothing else to it. In defense of the church sometimes no matter what you do you can't detect these things. It is just like when someone explodes and murders a bunch of people. The Pastors wife may have not picked up on these things she is busy with the kids and his coworkers are busy with the church. This guy must have had a secret life on the Internet. I think Iron Sharpens Iron says it all. We need to keep ourselves accountable to are Christian friends and are brothers need to brave enough to confront us and put their arm around us and catch us. So many of us including the writer just move along and only worry about ourselves instead of standing in the corner and saying my gift is hospitality and helps and we just stay in are little circle. Guys this writer is the biggest offender and recently my Christian friend confided with me about a weakness he was dealing with. Guess what boys I blew it. I said ah ah ah I'll pray for you. This is a guy shared his heart and concern. I blew it big time. Maybe this Pastor did the same and his brother scampered off like me and said I'll ah ah ah pray for you. Pray that I can approach my friend again and show him my real love and support which I don't think will be a problem. That's why when I see this Pastor take a fall and if he didn't physically carry out his desires my heart goes out to him. As men we all have and will wrestle with this demon Brothers we need not scamper away from a brother struggling as this writer did.