In 2005, Phil Johnson eviscerated modern evangelicalism’s obsession with trends and fads: “The concept of evangelicalism has been expanded to become all-inclusive. The word evangelical has lost its historic meaning. These days it means everything—and it therefore means nothing.” (mp3) (PDF transcript)
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NewOne Surprising Thing
On page 5 of the transcript he says “And James Dobson is the godfather of the “culture war” fad.”
Does Phil really think James Dobson’s effort over 40 years can be summed up as a “culture war” fad?
NewAmen
And yes, given the amount of psychology vs. that of Scripture in FOTF, it has become a culture war fad, sad to say. it’s a fad that I’ve used and even been blessed by, but it’s driven a lot of fads.
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NewHearken unto this . . .
Johnson wrote:
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Johnson continued:
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NewBert
Please don’t commit any logical fallacies with assumptions of yours.
Please defend that FOTF and James Dobson, with all of his parenting work (which includes some psychology) is a fad?
What is a fad? First of all.
NewAlso, claiming that FOTF
is just about a “culture war” neglects all of the other work they do, like family counseling and advice, parenting advice, etc.
NewHere we go....
Mark, when millions of evangelicals are persuaded to hang on every word Dobson says, and that word generally proceeds more from evangelical culture and psychology than it does the Scripture, then yes, many of the things they would do would qualify as a fad, or a movement that temporarily motivates large numbers of people.
I would agree that modalist and prosperity theologian T.D. Jakes is an even more worthy recipient of Johnson’s ire than are Dobson and FOTF, and also that the relatively long duration of FOTF’s popularity makes it much longer-lived than most fads (e.g. disco), but in diverting evangelical attention away from the timeless truths of Scripture and towards psychology with a good touch of navel-gazing, FOTF does indeed qualify for Johnson’s rebuke.
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NewBert
You are talking about his psychology. Phil ignored that and said “culture war”.
NewAlso "hang on every word Dobson says"
Sounds to me like you are exaggerating, No? Can you establish that “millions” of evangelicals were blindly waiting for marching orders from James Dobson?
I think you should stick to logic my friend, and not exaggerate. Cold, calculated logic is the only thing allowed.
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Mark, take a look at the issues page of Focus on the Family and tell me that they were not fighting the culture war—modesty, abstinence, divorce, homosexuality, etc.. And yes, millions of evangelicals—there is a reason that their programs have been carried on hundreds of Christian radio stations across the country.
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NewBert
Millions might listen… but you said “hang on every word”. That is something different. Its called hyperbole and exaggeration.
You then switched what you said. Initially, you talked about family. Now that I pointed out that the Johnson article is about “culture war” you switched your tune. Inconsistency I think.
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No, Mark, I’m not exaggerating, and if you’re going to try and tell me that family issues—which have reached the Supreme Court, ahem—are not part of the culture wars, I’m going to suggest you might need to get out more. While certainly they don’t ONLY fight the culture wars, they are a combatant, and hence when they proceed more from psychology or the “church of what’s happenin’ now” than Scripture (as the link I provided demonstrates, by the way), they fully deserve the rebuke Johnson administers.
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NewBeyond Dobson
One of Johnson’s main critiques is that almost all of the popular evangelical “fads” have little or nothing to do with the Gospel and it’s implications for your life in this “present, evil world” (cf. Gal 1:3-4). It’s about consumerism and Christian entrepreneurialism (wow, had to use spellcheck on that one!), rather than sanctification. Consider this excerpt:
Conservative evangelicalism, particularly the kind favored by silly Pastors who wear their son’s polo-shirts, seems to have an obsession with catering to popular culture. This is a systemic problem, going all the way back to the now-infamous article from 1956, entitled “Is Evangelical Theology Changing?” Go into your local Christian bookstore and take a look around. I am convinced that these bookstores are very, very dangerous places.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.