On eve of mail fraud trial, demonstrators show support for Hovind

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Here's day one:

http://www.pnj.com/story/news/crime/2015/03/03/day-hovind-trial/24341107/

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Meanwhile, the Pensacola News Journal published this opinion piece from a supporter:

http://www.pnj.com/story/opinion/2015/03/03/viewpoint-real-victim-kent-hovind/24324775/

According to the writer, Hovind is a modern counterpart of Patrick Henry (he of "Give me liberty, or give me death" fame).

Her summary?: "Ultimately, the attack on Brother Hovind is an attack on Jesus Christ."

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The grounds for many of Hovind's legal actions reportedly came from a cellmate in a New Hampshire prison camp whom allegedly Hovind described as a "legal genius."

Assistant U.S. Attorney Tiffany Eggers read transcripts of a phone call from Hovind to his daughter in which Hovind reportedly discussed his lis pendes. "Have you ever taken a step into dog crap and it gets stuck on your feet and it's really hard to get off?" he reportedly asked. "That's what a lis pendes is."

Observation: It's still dog crap! Even after you step in it.

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Jim wrote:

             The grounds for many of Hovind's legal actions reportedly came from a cellmate in a New Hampshire prison camp whom allegedly Hovind described as a "legal genius."

 

In a related story, Hovind hailed the man behind the wheel in this video as "the world's greatest driver":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV0k79Lc7c8

 

 

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Larry Nelson wrote:

Meanwhile, the Pensacola News Journal published this opinion piece from a supporter:

http://www.pnj.com/story/opinion/2015/03/03/viewpoint-real-victim-kent-hovind/24324775/

According to the writer, Hovind is a modern counterpart of Patrick Henry (he of "Give me liberty, or give me death" fame).

Her summary?: "Ultimately, the attack on Brother Hovind is an attack on Jesus Christ."

 

The Pensacola News Journal published a counterpoint to the opinion piece written by one of Hovind's supporters:

http://www.pnj.com/story/opinion/2015/03/05/viewpoint-hovind-prosecuted-persecuted/24429591/

Summary: "It's unfortunate, but Kent Hovind is in a situation entirely of his own making because he holds to tax protester and sovereign citizen beliefs. Had he been compliant with the tax laws, he would not be in prison now, nor would he be facing more jail time. Kent Hovind is not being persecuted for his religious beliefs by the government. Rather, he is being prosecuted for his actions, which have nothing to do with religion."

 

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Jim wrote:

http://ytmp.blogspot.com/2015/03/kent-hovind-supporters-getting-organize...

One of the advantages of staying at the Red Roof Inn is that it is walking distance to a restaurant - a Waffle House. Reports from late night Waffle House employees indicate that Hovindicators do not tip well and are messy eaters.

 

You'd think that since Hovind's supporters (often) don't themselves believe in paying taxes, that they could at least afford to be generous tippers...  Smile

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http://ytmp.blogspot.com/2015/03/kent-hovind-trial-day-5-language-of.html

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http://ytmp.blogspot.com/2015/03/coach-dave-daubenmire-wrong-about-how.html

"Hovindicators scattered across the nation can listen to Kent Hovind say that he is not a tax protester and has paid all the taxes he has owed and has not broken any laws and not know any different.  They can believe that Kent Hovind attracted IRS attention because of his great ability to expose the lies of evolution and that all he ever did was take his own money out of the bank and mail a letter.  Pensacola Christians, though, witnessed the decades of defiance that brought him to the attention of the IRS.  Students at Pensacola Christian College where men and women cannot ride in the same elevator were forbidden to work at Dinosaur Advetureland because of Hovind' refusal to "render unto Caesar"."

 

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Wow I didn't know that about PCC. That's a pretty bad testimony when it is recognized to that degree.

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josh p wrote:

Wow I didn't know that about PCC. That's a pretty bad testimony when it is recognized to that degree.

 

"A local Christian leader on Thursday testified against Pensacola evangelist Kent Hovind, explaining the Bible does not condone tax evasion.

Rebekah Horton, Pensacola Christian College's longtime senior vice president, took the stand during the second day of testimony at the federal trial."

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061020/NEWS01/610200327/1006

 

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josh p wrote:

Wow I didn't know that about PCC. That's a pretty bad testimony when it is recognized to that degree.

Bad testimony? She did what was legal and right. 

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"It was one of several of Hovind’s filings in his defense; where he restates that he does not need to follow the orders of the court, that his is a primal relationship to the land and a singular allegiance to God, that he intends to return to his property, claims sovereign immunity from the tax related crimes that he has been accused of, that he is not a legislative subject or person of the state of Florida or the United States, meaning not a subject citizen, de facto, also not a registered voter or willing beneficiary of any Trust, not a corporate entity in the state of Florida, who claims to “ contract with or not with whom it pleases me,” and beholden only to the Creator and not to pseudo sovereign entities, he is being held for a victim-less crime, and any public servant involved must refute the document within three days or they de facto agree to it, that the government must return all properties and pay back all fines and so forth."

http://ytmp.blogspot.com/2015/03/kent-hovind-trial-day-5-language-of.html

 

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Jim wrote:

 

josh p wrote:

 

Wow I didn't know that about PCC. That's a pretty bad testimony when it is recognized to that degree.

 

 

Bad testimony? She did what was legal and right. 

Jim, I think Josh meant it was a bad testimony for Hovind that a local Christian college had marked him as so disobedient their students were not allowed to work for him.

Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?

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Jim wrote:

 

josh p wrote:

 

Wow I didn't know that about PCC. That's a pretty bad testimony when it is recognized to that degree.

 

 

Bad testimony? She did what was legal and right. 

I'm saying it is a bad testimony when a local Christian college won't even let its students work there. I meant on Hovind's part.

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Jim wrote:

Comment: Not as up to date as the links Larry provided but helpful background

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2015/03/04/government-focusing-...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterjreilly/2015/03/09/has-pensacola-evange...

 

From Jim's 2nd link (above):

"Even after losing his appeal in the Eleventh Circuit and being turned down by the Supreme Court Kent Hovind continued to believe that his conviction could be overturned."

So the U.S. Court of Appeals refused to overturn his conviction, and then SCOTUS refused to even hear the case--but Hovind still was optimistic, eh?  Sure, hey, why not?  Smile

 

 

 

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http://ytmp.blogspot.com/2015/03/jury-in-kent-hovind-trial-sent-home-for.html

"[Kent] asked God to move the jurors hearts to acquit both him and Hansen, noting that this is a real opportunity for God to show his power.  He closed rather touchingly noting that God is his daddy and he needs him to deal with the bullies who are picking on him." (In a telephone call.)

"[T]he closing statements of Hovind and Hansen's attorneys portrayed them as stubborn guys who got really bad legal advice but certainly were not knowingly breaking any laws."

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My dad always said that if I went to jail he would not bail me out. Apparently God has the same policy with Hovind.

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http://www.pnj.com/story/news/2015/03/12/hovind-trial-deliberations/70205932/

"At 11:09 a.m. the jury in the trial of Kent Hovind returned their verdict convicting Hovind on one of four counts he was facing, and his co-defendant Paul John Hansen on two of five.

Hovind was found guilty of contempt for filing paperwork disputing the government's right to sell his property. The jury was unable to agree on the three other charges Hovind was facing.

Sentencing has been set for June 12."