Past Hammond Baptist pastor raped girl repeatedly, federal lawsuit alleges

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TylerR's picture

Editor

If I were the girl's father, I'd give serious consideration to doing bodily harm to David Hyles, and perhaps worse. I like to think I wouldn't go through with it. But, I'd consider it - even if for a few moments. There is a special place in the lake of fire for clergy who abuse their positions in this way.

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

Ed Vasicek's picture

Will the legacy of this dysfunctionally-led ministry never end?  

"The Midrash Detective"

Jonathan Charles's picture

This goes back to 70s, if every person this kind of thing happened to in a ministry that large, that seemed not to have dealt with such things, the church could be facing a slew of civil suits for years to come. 

DLCreed's picture

TylerR wrote:

If I were the girl's father, I'd give serious consideration to doing bodily harm to David Hyles, and perhaps worse. I like to think I wouldn't go through with it. But, I'd consider it - even if for a few moments. There is a special place in the lake of fire for clergy who abuse their positions in this way.

As well should any red-blooded dad who loves his kids want to do.  Instead, this girl's father, according to the lawsuit itself, negotiated a long-term employment contract for himself with Dave's father.  Dave was sent off to Miller Road in Texas to continue working his "magic" and Joy was simply collateral damage.  (Note: I actually know this family.)  And this is just the very tip of the iceberg.  The entire place should be leveled.

TylerR's picture

Editor

That is very sad. I don't understand how it can be rationalized.

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

DLCreed's picture

Jim wrote:

My take is that 1st Baptist of Hammond has turned the corner under new leadership

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I would not consider it a "turned corner" until they stop deifying Hyles which is still the current state there.  They've never come clean about the rampant sexual sin, the covering of the same and the system and philosophy that propagated it.  (Which is only a single facet of their over-all dysfunction.) This is a ministry built on a celebrity cult leader -- plain and simple.  Until that has been renounced, the corner hasn't been turned, in my opinion.

 

Bert Perry's picture

The statutes of limitations for civil actions on sexual assult of a child (e.g. this) are not that long, so what the plaintiff is doing is to make the claim that because the church worked to hide David Hyles' (and others') actions, that RICO applies.  

I don't know whether this one will set a precedent, but if it does, let's just say that it's not just the Hyles orbit that needs to keep this in mind.  Similar sets of evidence exist for the ABWE/Ketcham case, the SGM case, and others.  Hint; if your church has swept things under the rug, now might be a really good time to start making amends and start volunteering to help victims become as whole as possible.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

Joeb's picture

Bert is correct.  If one has an ongoing conspiracy and RICOi issues the statute of limitations toll when the final act occurs. Organizations like the HYLES organization ABWE and Ethnos 360 AKA: New Tribes Missions I consider organized crime.  Hopefully the lawsuits will be successful in draining and closing all the above institutions. 

I concur with DL CREED.  These dudes and their associated church's are a cult.  I reviewed some of the HYLES connected church websites and found  a comment was made by one of the Senior Pastors that he had a great day recently cruising and listening to JACK HYLES sermons. It seems as indicated above the legend of JACK HYLES lives on.    
 

 

dmyers's picture

Bert Perry wrote:

The statutes of limitations for civil actions on sexual assult of a child (e.g. this) are not that long, so what the plaintiff is doing is to make the claim that because the church worked to hide David Hyles' (and others') actions, that RICO applies.  

I don't know whether this one will set a precedent, but if it does, let's just say that it's not just the Hyles orbit that needs to keep this in mind.  Similar sets of evidence exist for the ABWE/Ketcham case, the SGM case, and others.  Hint; if your church has swept things under the rug, now might be a really good time to start making amends and start volunteering to help victims become as whole as possible.

The predicates to a RICO claim are usually pretty difficult to establish, especially outside the organized crime context, so it should be interesting. 

Mark_Smith's picture

and realized there was something wrong with him. I pretty much ignore him, his ministry, and anything associated with it. I'd call it a cult, or at least as close as you can get without being one.

When I think of "fundamentalist" I NEVER MEAN HIM OR ANYTHING LIKE HIM.

 

Mark_Smith's picture

If I went into a meeting with a pastor to report sustained rape, and he offered me a "lucrative" job to cover it up, I'd hit his face so hard he'd never forget it. Yep, I said it. Fleshly, yes. Would I regret it after his son abused my daughter for 2 years? Not one bit.

I don't understand these "men."

Definitely a cult, not a church.

Bert Perry's picture

I grew up 30 miles away from First Baptist, and regarding whether a father would accept the job or beat the snot (or other bodily excretion) out of Hyles (both of 'em), one thing worth noting is that times were tough in the area then.  Japanese steel was coming in, steelworkers were being laid off, Gary was quickly going downhill, and having steady work would have been a powerful temptation to someone worried about keeping his home and not having to live in Gary.

Combine that with a powerful cult of personality on Hyles' part, as well as a general reluctance by the police to prosecute these things that my family observed a year or two later (my neighbor was molested), and you can understand why Joy's father made that choice.  You might also have "he didn't understand the impact of rape on a young woman".   I also would like to believe I'd have made a different choice, but there are a few reasons that would have been seen as powerful to someone back then.

Per dmyers' comment, agreed on RICO.  It's tough for a reason.  That said, tremendously interesting strategy; whatever the result, I hope it wakes churches up to their responsibility to handle these things well.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

Ron Bean's picture

When the whole Jack Hyles/David Hyles/First Baptist cess pool was being uncovered in 1989-91, including deacons abusing and covering for leadership, Voyle Glover and his paper, The Biblical Evangelist, was the only one shouting a warning publicly. As I recall the majority of fundamentalism talked about it privately, but left me with the impression that they were hoping it would just go away eventually. It didn't. We were public on our denunciation of Billy Graham, New Evangeliclism, and John MacArthur and the Blood, but I don't recall a single public published condemnation of Hyles or even support for Glover.There was that attitude of "That's him but not us!"

 

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan

Ed Vasicek's picture

Quoted in the Kokomo Tribune today:

“Hero-worship is strongest where there is least regard for human freedom.”

HERBERT SPENCER

British philosopher  (1820-1903)

"The Midrash Detective"

Joeb's picture

Question.  If I have the name right.  Did not Dr Robert Summers speak up about Hyles in his publication. Just wondering.  
 

Additionally, in regards to physically going after HYLES I believe he had body guards recruited from the college.  So getting to him would not be so easy.   Although I always thought that guy who lost his wife and children to HYLES should have taken some action.  
 

What did the dude have to loose other then a year or so in the county jail for aggravated assault.  If the guy smoked HYLES knee caps at least he'd have the satisfaction of HYLES walking with a limp or a cane for the rest of HYLE's life.  In fact I believe there is a U Tube video of HYLES  denying the affair and even pointed out that if he did such a thing why didn't the husband physically come after him. 

Ron Bean's picture

Sumer's paper, The Biblical Evangelist, exposed the mess. Voyle Glover published a book, Fundamental Seduction: The Jack Hyles Case, with the details. 

"Some things are of that nature as to make one's fancy chuckle, while his heart doth ache." John Bunyan

Don Johnson's picture

Really, you guys, that appears in the list of the fruit of the Spirit exactly where?

You ought to know better than this.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Bert Perry's picture

John 2:13-16, Matthew 21:12-17, Mark 11:15-19, Luke 19:45-8.  No?  Also Nehemiah 13:23-5, Ehud, Jael, and a host of others who wreaked righteous violence against the ungodly.

So yes, there are times where anger and physical assault are indeed what God intends, though I wouldn't apply it as a general principle.

In this case, given that the girl had suffered, repeatedly, some degree of sexual assault, which is in extreme forms a capital crime in the Old Testament, I'd have applauded if the father had knocked either Hyles into next week, and if a juror in a trial of someone prosecuted for doing so, would most likely refuse to convict, no matter how strong the evidence was.

In defense of the father, he appears to have been a middle aged office dweller, whereas David Hyles was still a young man and may have had an entourage composed of steelworkers' sons in their late teens.  I grew up among those guys--not a fight I would pick.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

Don Johnson's picture

Come on, Bert, even you are better than that.

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Mark_Smith's picture

Don Johnson wrote:

Really, you guys, that appears in the list of the fruit of the Spirit exactly where?

You ought to know better than this.

Some times love is a pop in the face to a guy who condones his son raping girls... just saying. We are talking fairly extreme examples with Hyles and Co., are we not?

TylerR's picture

Editor

I spoke to a very mature Christian man recently. A solid guy. Decades ago, his daughter had been sexually abused as a little girl by a deacon in the church. The told me that he very nearly killed the deacon. He had weapons. He knew how to use them. He had planned how he would kill the man. He planned to bide his time and wait a few years, to avoid suspicion. Then, he would kill him and make it look like an accident. 

But, he decided to not go through with it. We all know it isn't right to think and plan these; vengeance belongs to the Lord. It's not just a trite saying; it's Scripture! But, oftentimes, we make our own plans because we're sinful. Sometimes, we even carry those plans out.

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

Bert Perry's picture

Nice potshot, Don.  I take it that's your version of Galatians 5:22-3?  Suffice it to say that I disagree with your translation, and wonder why actually engaging the argument seems to be something you can not, or will not, do.

Again, if we have numerous examples of the Prophets, Apostles, and even our Lord using physical force in certain egregious circumstances, why would we a priori say that using such force is ipso facto wrong?  That is at least coming very, very close to blaspheming Christ and insulting the Apostles, Prophets, Judges, etc...

Really, Don, what you're doing is asserting modern fundagelical culture over the example of Scripture.  Dangerous business, to put it mildly.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

David R. Brumbelow's picture

“One of the major inconsistencies within Fundamentalism today is that sin is so quietly and firmly swept under the rug and the guilty parties go free. Many who argue a cover-up for a fallen Fundamentalist are the first in line to condemn a Jim & Tammy Bakker or a Jimmy Swaggart. Where is the consistency – or even honesty – in this? Do we want to send a message to the world that if a man is "big" enough and " fundamental" enough, he can get by with anything? I think not. One thing is sure: with the massive cover-ups we've had of late, not many preachers are "fearing"; if we can put some holy fear back into men of God, the time and money spent researching this article will have been worthwhile…”

-Dr. Robert L. Sumner, Biblical Evangelist

http://www.biblicalevangelist.org/jack_hyles_chapter3.php

David R. Brumbelow

Bert Perry's picture

When we say "vengeance is mine", we're originally referring to Deut. 32:35, where it's in the context of God's vengeance on all of Israel for their sin.  On an individual level, that's also what Hebrews 10:30-31 is doing.  

Romans 12:19 comes closer, but note that it states getting vengeance "for yourself", and that needs to be interpreted in the context of the rest of the Scriptures, yes, including John 2:13-16 and passages where a degree of human justice is obtained through the Church (Matthew 18:15-19 and 1 Cor. 6) or the state (Romans 13).   As one can see in Luke 18:3-5, it's really linked words and concepts.

How to apply it to this case, or the one Tyler mentions?  Well, is the vengeance here for the victim's sake, or her father's?  We might often wonder whether it's really for the father, and in that case, that's a barrier.  

Another note here is that too often, "vengeance is mine" has been (wrongly) used not just to prevent vigilantism, but to prevent victims from getting any degree of justice, whether in the church ("just forgive and forget"), criminal courts, or civil courts.  It almost sounds like Tyler's friend was in that position.  

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

Jay's picture

Some of my family comes from Hylesism or FBC Hammond-like churches in that part of the country, as has a friend from college.

Raze it.  Raze it all to below the foundations, then plow and salt the Earth and do it again.  Let no stick or memory of it ever remain.  

It is an accursed place where God was blasphemed flagrantly and often by those who claim to be His servants. And if the youth pastor repeatedly raped my daughter?  You'd better believe that I'd be gunning for him in more than one way.

I'm deadly serious.  That particular evil needs to be extirpated.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

Don Johnson's picture

We have folks advocating murder here and that's apparently now acceptable on SI. Wow

Maranatha!
Don Johnson
Jer 33.3

Jay's picture

But don't tell me that if a youth pastor raped your son repeatedly that you wouldn't be struggling with thoughts of vengeance.  
 

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

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