Is Christ Eternally Subordinate to the Father?
Is the Son eternally subordinate to the Father, while remaining fully equal in power, honor and glory? Or, is Jesus’ subordination a role unique to the incarnation?
- Reformation21 offers a column criticizing the “eternal subordinationism” position as out of step with the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed of 381 A.D.
- Bruce Ware offers a rejoinder to critics of eternal subordination at Reformation 21.
- Carl Trueman chimes in to briefly oppose the “eternal subordinationism” position, and marvels that this is even a controversial issue.
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Fair enough. Sorry, I superficially read some posts here as implying, “Does it really even matter?” I see now I was mistaken.
This blog post helpfully clarifies some of the issues involved:
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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University
Trueman can be summed up in two words grunted out: not nicea. How very helpful Carl.
Goligher can be summed up as follows: not nicea, you can’t teach. How very statist of you Liam.
Both of these guys just infant baptism, covenantism, and many other reformed errors of polity, and soteriology, but can’t see Christ’s submission to the Father. Their allegiance is to their creeds. You better not deviate from creeds. Those creeds are inspirednotinspired.
These people are all arguing history and philosophy. This is what is wrong with this entire debate. How many of them are actually breaking out the hebrew and greek and interpretation of texts? They would rather call on Augustine and Acquinas, two CATHOLICS for assistance (see Mark Jones).
One of my more enjoyable things to watch is calvinist on calvinist crime. If Grudem and Ware were noncalvinists, then the Truemanites would somehow tie this to a deviation that is rooted in the gospel itself. Sadly for him and his ilk, Grudem and Ware are card carrying calvinists. What to do, what to do? Liam tries the no true Scotsman approach. They are all the skinniest kid at fat camp though. It is entertaining.
1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of the woman, and God is the head of Christ.
God is PRESENTLY the head of the risen and exalted Christ. Only during the incarnation? Take it up with Paul.
Drops the mic
1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.
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