Did Jesus Make Mistakes?
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Sean is right about the OP. The topic is very interesting. Probably falls under Paul’s advice about not wasting time on silly arguments, but it’s still interesting. Whether a pastor should attempt such a cursory exploration on a tangential issue in the middle of a sermon is a different argument. Seems like a blog series or some other venue might make better sense. It’s only connection to the faith is the humanizing of Jesus. In fact, it seems simple and obvious that Jesus would have made “mistakes” in the same trial and error sense all humans do as they grow and learn. For instance, did he ever stumble as a toddler? Well, sure. To jump to the conclusion that a discussion on this is blasphemy is outlandish.
However, Sean is dead wrong about defending Driscoll as a pastor who stands to take the heat. The myriad of problems he has created for himself have nothing to do with this unguarded argument about Jesus’ alleged mistakes. It is a red herring to say that “we all make mistakes” and “any of us could be disqualified for ministry”.This is not factual and should not be used to support a so-called ministry leader who has abused his position so blatantly.
It is not slander to point out the sins of a man who opens himself up to celebrity pastor status. You’re either on the national stage or you’re not. His self-promotion put him there, so he’s open game. Religious hypocrites were a target of Jesus’s ire, and they should garner our negative attention as well. The idea that people are unfairly gunning for him is refuse. People don’t like when their bully heroes are called out. Fortunately with blogs and internet, the opportunities to bring the behavior of bully pastors to light is better than ever. Instead of defending him, put forth a cogent argument why unwarranted firings of pastors, alienation of multitudes of elders and volunteers who dare ask questions, veiled threats of violence from the pulpit, constant chauvinism, using church funds to surreptitiously place his book on a best seller list, outbursts of anger are good for the body of Christ. Don’t tell me why the accusers are mistaken, tell me why the accused is right.
Micah,
I stand by my charge above that Driscoll’s sermon is blasphemous. Not because he is having the discussion about Jesus’ human growth process, but because (by his own admission) he misunderstands, and thus misrepresents, the Person of Christ and the union of His Divine and human natures.
It was just as blasphemous, by the way, when an IFB “evangelist” I once heard boldly proclaimed that he didn’t care if we “don’t understand the hyperstatic union…”
As someone said, “This IS brain surgery…” Hackers need not apply. Driscoll should sit in the corner and listen and learn until he is mature enough to speak.
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
Paul, you’ll note I’m not a Driscoll defender. I just can’t see where he is rising to blasphemy in the video. His doctrine is fairly straightforward reformed. (obviously what he said wasn’t well received even by his people, because they edited it from the posted sermon. I’m still with you on it being a problematic discussion.) Regardless, the hypostatic union is not a buttoned up doctrine. It’s quite the mystery.
Honestly, there is much more to take him to task over than this unguarded exploration.
We cannot understand completely the mysteries of the Incarnation. But it is our duty to convey that which the Scriptures do present in a way that is entirely accurate and true to them and honoring to Him.
Driscoll violated both the letter and the spirit of this principle. What does it tell you that he begins this section by saying, “This might be heresy…”?! What responsible Bible teacher would say that - not as a joke - but actually meaning it?!
Why would he pick such an odd and delicate topic to illustrate a point so simple that anybody who is awake could understand it? Also, does he not come across to you, if you watch the video, as somewhat making fun of Christ?
The whole thing is bizarre, stupid, infantile, childish and ridiculous. Yes, I would also call it blasphemous.
I must have been born at the wrong time. I will stick with Walvoord. Anyone who wants Driscoll can have my share - though I would not recommend it.
Church Ministries Representative, serving in the Midwest, for The Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry
Driscoll is a false teacher, a blind guide and a hireling.
Per Warren Throckmorton:
Opposing Views’ writer Michael Allen posted an article last night which discusses Mars Hill’s ambivalent reaction to the “Jesus Makes Mistakes” segment of Mark Driscoll’s sermon on Acts 6:1-7. Preached publicly on May 4, the sermon featured Driscoll’s speculations about the boyhood of Jesus had he rode a bike, or played baseball. Mars Hill edited the section but then stood by the content. The church leaders also said the editing was nothing unusual even though the edits made the video shorter than any other video in the series. Former Mars Hill Media Team members also contested the official explanation of the edits. After defending the content, Mars Hill issued a copyright complaint with YouTube who acted again me to remove the video clip. An account of the situation and a transcript of the segment was posted here on May 19.
From - http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2014/06/14/20407/
I find it interesting that MHC filed a complaint with YouTube over the video that Throckmorton linked to on his blog.
Direct video link - http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christianity/megachurch-tries-s…
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
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