"...(W)ithin the next 40 years, the majority of brick-and-mortar universities will probably find partnerships with other kinds of services, or close their doors."
Zephyr Teachout in the Washington Post: “A Virtual Revolution Is Brewing for Colleges”
The Chronicle of Higher Education: “Colleges Will Be ‘Torn Apart’ by Internet, Law Professor Predicts”
I think it’ll be a lot longer than 30-40 years before the university actually kicks the bucket, if ever. Just like the internet and Kindle aren’t going to do away with books, so online courseware is not going to completely demolish the university. There are always going to be people who want the college experience, just as there are people who drive ‘57 Chevys and use handheld can openers and write with pen and paper.
What it may do is force colleges and universities to think about how they can provide a better quality of education and possibly a niche to market their offerings to.
What it may do is force colleges and universities to think about how they can provide a better quality of education and possibly a niche to market their offerings to.
Just got an email last night regarding BJ Online:
We are pleased to announce the launch of http://www.bju.edu/bjuonline/?utm_source=bjuonline&utm_medium=email&utm…] BJUOnline , Bob Jones University’s distance learning portal giving you easy access to undergraduate and graduate courses, graduate degree programs, professional development opportunities, a Bible Diploma Program and Christian life resources.
Whether you’re in high school, in college, working in your career, a home school parent or retired, BJUOnline may have something for you. While our initial emphasis is online classes, other opportunities are available and more classes and opportunities will be added in the future.
Online classes from BJU provide quality Christian education taught from a biblical worldwiew.
Added benefits:
Interaction—Ask questions, participate in discussions and interact with classmates and a course facilitator
Structure—Assignment deadlines help you focus and finish the course on time
Caring faculty—Courses designed by dedicated and knowledgeable BJU faculty
Convenience and flexibility—You can work on the course at night or anytime, wherever you are
We are pleased to announce the launch of http://www.bju.edu/bjuonline/?utm_source=bjuonline&utm_medium=email&utm…] BJUOnline , Bob Jones University’s distance learning portal giving you easy access to undergraduate and graduate courses, graduate degree programs, professional development opportunities, a Bible Diploma Program and Christian life resources.
Whether you’re in high school, in college, working in your career, a home school parent or retired, BJUOnline may have something for you. While our initial emphasis is online classes, other opportunities are available and more classes and opportunities will be added in the future.
Online classes from BJU provide quality Christian education taught from a biblical worldwiew.
Added benefits:
Interaction—Ask questions, participate in discussions and interact with classmates and a course facilitator
Structure—Assignment deadlines help you focus and finish the course on time
Caring faculty—Courses designed by dedicated and knowledgeable BJU faculty
Convenience and flexibility—You can work on the course at night or anytime, wherever you are
"I pray to God this day to make me an extraordinary Christian." --Whitefield http://strengthfortoday.wordpress.com
[Susan R] I think it’ll be a lot longer than 30-40 years before the university actually kicks the bucket, if ever. Just like the internet and Kindle aren’t going to do away with books, so online courseware is not going to completely demolish the university. There are always going to be people who want the college experience, just as there are people who drive ‘57 Chevys and use handheld can openers and write with pen and paper.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think the problem is so much that books or universities will disappear any more than the ‘57 Chevy has. However, the number of users of “antiques” being very small will eventually make the support mechanisms either expensive or difficult to maintain, except through other users. E.g., how many ‘57 Chevys do you really see out and about? And that doesn’t talk about for those who do use them, how hard original parts are to get, etc. My uncle restores antique cars, and normally he gets parts at car shows, etc., and he does a lot of even the part restoration himself.
I don’t think Kindle technology is there yet, but it will be. Just look at what the internet has done to newspapers and many periodicals. I think it’s only a matter of time until we can just carry one device with us that keeps up with all our newspaper and magazine subscriptions, as well as maybe even every book we’ve ever bought. There will be some that always want the feel of a real book, but just like antique collectors, they will be a breed apart from the norm, and it will be more about the book itself than about the content. My wife and I (and now my older daughter) have switched entirely from carrying a regular Bible to church to just having several translations available on our iPods and iPhones. I can do searches, cross-references, have a complete Strong’s with me, as well as about 9 or 10 different commentaries, all in a small hand-held device that also handles my email, internet, calendar, to-do list, phone duties, etc. I don’t think I’ll ever go back, and in a few years, even if it’s a generation or two, I think most people will be doing the same, or something even cooler. And now I always have the Bible (not to mention probably about 60 or 70 other books and reference works) with me, not just when I remember to carry one.
When technology does get good enough that a virtual classroom is just like being there for the lectures, tests, labs, etc. (and I think it’s just a matter of time — 30 or 40 years may be plenty) it only makes sense that all the expensive dorm facilities and other facilities needed to house a large number of students will begin to be a largely unnecessary expense for a university, and one that can give way to better and more well-paid instructors, equipment, etc. I think you are right that there will always be a market for a traditional university experience, but it will begin to seem as unusual as single-gender boarding schools (which have never gone away completely) seem to us today.
You may be right about 30 or 40 years being aggressive, but I think such a change will be inevitable, given the advances and costs and economies of scale that will make a university-level education easier and less-expensive to achieve for similar qualities of education. Some things will be lost, of course. You can’t really do sports remotely, and watching a concert or Shakespeare play remotely, or learning medical procedures on a virtual corpse is not at all the same as being there and using the real thing. However, with enough time, and the Lord tarrying, technology may even conquer those hurdles. Planning for such dramatic future changes may not be immediately necessary, but I don’t think those schools that wish to survive another 50 years can afford to not think about such possible futures and what to do if they are faced with them.
Dave Barnhart
I agree, Dave, that technology will greatly reduce the number of traditional universities, and I think it is basically a good thing. I’ve been saying for several years now that schools- from elementary to university level- should wake up and smell the technology. People have been doing correspondence courses for eons, and virtual classrooms with live lectures and chat and blogs and forums can provide a wealth of interaction not available for distance learners before.
My post was mostly a response to the Chicken Little tone I perceived in the original article, and my opinion that this kind of change is going to be much slower in coming than predicted. I am pretty sure I read a poll not long ago that indicated about 25% of Americans still do not have home computers.
My post was mostly a response to the Chicken Little tone I perceived in the original article, and my opinion that this kind of change is going to be much slower in coming than predicted. I am pretty sure I read a poll not long ago that indicated about 25% of Americans still do not have home computers.
[Susan R] I am pretty sure I read a poll not long ago that indicated about 25% of Americans still do not have home computers.
That’s pretty interesting. It’s probably true, but for me, living and working in a technology saturated area, still hard to fathom. To facilitate communication in our church, we recently took a poll to find out how many in our church of nearly 200 did not have email. I think only 1 or 2 people raised their hands, and they were seniors.
Of course, in spite of that fact, and the fact that pretty much all information in our church is available on the website, we still have announcements and print a bulletin each week (which I no longer even bother to pick up), probably to cater to the people for whom technology still seems strange. I can’t believe we’ll still be doing any of that if we are still here in 30 or 40 years, but there will probably still be someone pining after having a printed copy in their hands! :)
Dave Barnhart
1.) I would *NEVER* have made it to a degree if I had tried to do it on line. For me, the structure and accountability of a classroom was an absolute necessity.
2.) I would *NEVER* have participated in ministry (at least not to the level at which God has blessed me) if I had tried to get my education on line. I grew up in one wonderful independent, fundamental, non-denominational, ultra-separatist Bible church. It was not until I went to a place where there were others of like faith, from other churches, with other experiences and backgrounds, that I saw and understood the possibilites of ministry that God would allow me to do. It was not until I met other truly Godly peers, who consistently encouraged me to a Godly life, that I saw an example of what I could truly be if completely surrendered to Christ.
I was going to say 3.) I would not have met my wife had it not been for the B&M experience. But I now know so *many* that have found/are finding their spouses via the internet… (Call me Old Fashioned: I just don’t get that.)
There are those who thrive on the on-line educational experience. For them, this kind of access is a God-Send, and I praise His name for it. There are others, like me, who will need the B&M experience, and will be better for it.
As for the electronic gadgets: every one I have owned has failed (blown up, fallen apart, ceased to function, lost the data). I have a wonderful collection of Moleskine style notebooks with hand written sermon notes dating back decades. (That’s how I keep from falling asleep in church! :D)
2.) I would *NEVER* have participated in ministry (at least not to the level at which God has blessed me) if I had tried to get my education on line. I grew up in one wonderful independent, fundamental, non-denominational, ultra-separatist Bible church. It was not until I went to a place where there were others of like faith, from other churches, with other experiences and backgrounds, that I saw and understood the possibilites of ministry that God would allow me to do. It was not until I met other truly Godly peers, who consistently encouraged me to a Godly life, that I saw an example of what I could truly be if completely surrendered to Christ.
I was going to say 3.) I would not have met my wife had it not been for the B&M experience. But I now know so *many* that have found/are finding their spouses via the internet… (Call me Old Fashioned: I just don’t get that.)
There are those who thrive on the on-line educational experience. For them, this kind of access is a God-Send, and I praise His name for it. There are others, like me, who will need the B&M experience, and will be better for it.
As for the electronic gadgets: every one I have owned has failed (blown up, fallen apart, ceased to function, lost the data). I have a wonderful collection of Moleskine style notebooks with hand written sermon notes dating back decades. (That’s how I keep from falling asleep in church! :D)
[dcbii]…we still have announcements and print a bulletin each week (which I no longer even bother to pick up), probably to cater to the people for whom technology still seems strange. I can’t believe we’ll still be doing any of that if we are still here in 30 or 40 years, but there will probably still be someone pining after having a printed copy in their hands! :)
Well, what do you expect them to doodle on during the preaching? And where will kids put their gum if you don’t have hymnbooks?
Don’t feel bad, Bro. Karl- I love tech, and have many gadgets- but apparently I have a devastating affect on vacuum cleaners and dishwashers. I’ve never had one, regardless of make, model, or price, that lasted more than two years.
[Susan R] Don’t feel bad, Bro. Karl- I love tech, and have many gadgets- but apparently I have a devastating affect on vacuum cleaners and dishwashers. I’ve never had one, regardless of make, model, or price, that lasted more than two years.
I love tech, too! But, when I’m in church, I want a Bible with paper pages, and a notebook and pen instead of a keyboard. :)
I have also been toying around with an idea for a small “desk” I could clip over the back of the pew in front of me so I could keep my Bible from falling off of that same pew, and have a more solid place to lay my notebook for note-taking… kind of like a portable desk.:D
My post was mostly a response to the Chicken Little tone I perceived in the original article, and my opinion that this kind of change is going to be much slower in coming than predicted. I am pretty sure I read a poll not long ago that indicated about 25% of Americans still do not have home computers.If college main targets for resident students were the broad segment of the population, your “slower” prediction might have more merit. However, The article says 30-40 years. That’s not really that fast, especially when you consider how many people didn’t have home computers even 20 years ago, not to mention how quickly other technologies are becoming mainstream over that same time- take the cell phone, digital photography, or online payments and shopping. Further making the 30-40 year prediction more likely is that the generations from which students will be drawn are much less likely to embrace the technology that makes online classes possible because it is consistent with what they have known over their lifetime. My two year old told me out of the blue this past week that he was going to check his email. He was just pretending (I think), but the fact is that he will not even be aware of a world where you couldn’t email or webcam or exchange pictures with his grandparents instantly even though they are hundreds of miles away. Taking an online class will not be anywhere near as foreign to his (assumed) children. Further, there are a lot of us his parents’ age who are interested in furthering education, but are unwilling or unable to relocate or change employment to do so. Those kind of scenarios will certainly not impede the development of these options.
As the article says, there are plenty of downsides to these possible developments. But I don’t think the pace of the predictions are unrealistic, given the circumstances and the pace of changes we have already seen even just since I graduated from HS 20 years ago.
Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN
No brick and mortar means we are 40 yrs from no BCS, March Madness or the Collage World Series. Will this generation go to an On-line Gaming Championship? Can the OGC draw the same advertising dollars as live sports? Do you want to go to McDonalds and get a sports cup with a fat kid holding a video controller as the hero of your collage? The collage athlete of the future will not be 6’5” 240lb, he will 5’3” 240lbs and have six fingers on each hand with the reflexes of a puma.
Hey! Wait a minute it is the year 2009 and I should be going to church tonight by flying with a jet pack on my back and wearing my silver space suit. Have we fallen behind on the previous generations expectations?
Hey! Wait a minute it is the year 2009 and I should be going to church tonight by flying with a jet pack on my back and wearing my silver space suit. Have we fallen behind on the previous generations expectations?
I agree that the generation that grows up with tech as a regular part of their everyday lives will be the generation that sees large university campuses fold like dominoes, but I think it’ll be my grandkids that see it, not my kids. As has been pointed out- sports is a large part of the college experience for some, and certain degrees require hands-on training, so I find the use of the word ‘demise’ to be an eensy-weensy bit of an exaggeration. To survive, I think some colleges will specialize or find a unique way to market themselves. Perhaps the reason I feel that way is that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioch_College] Antioch College is just up the road from me- if that place can find a way to survive…
It just occurred to me that StarFleet Academy has a campus and dorms, so even looking at all that future tech, Roddenberry and company didn’t foresee the complete annihilation of universities. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien006.gif
It just occurred to me that StarFleet Academy has a campus and dorms, so even looking at all that future tech, Roddenberry and company didn’t foresee the complete annihilation of universities. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php] http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-alien006.gif
Without colleges, won’t it be a lot harder for pro teams to find their players? ;)
Not all colleges will be similarly affected. Like the New York Times, the elite schools play a unique role in our society, and so they can probably persist with elements of their old revenue model longer than their lesser-known competitors. Schools with state funding will be as immune as their budgets. But within the next 40 years, the majority of brick-and-mortar universities will probably find partnerships with other kinds of services, or close their doors.The larger and more successful NCAA programs is probably one of those factors that may allow some schools to “persist.” When she talks about “elite,” I don’t think that the article author is proposing that all schools who aren’t Ivy League caliber will eventually shut down. Sports may be a contributing factor that keeps some institutions alive. That being said, I’m not so sure that it would be a significant factor for the “lesser” leagues (most non-Division I sports, and even there, the greatest factors would probably be those with successful men’s football and basketball programs).
[Susan Raber] To survive, I think some colleges will specialize or find a unique way to market themselves.
That was exactly the point that the author made in the article- “But within the next 40 years, the majority of brick-and-mortar universities will probably find partnerships with other kinds of services...”
Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN
So long as people care about education, embodied person-to-person interaction in institutions like universites will always exist.
It is simply impossible (that is, it can never happen) that distance learning, etc. can replace the traditional forms of education. That impossibility is grounded in a number of things, one of them having to do with what it means with respect for education and skill-acquisition to be essentially embodied - an aspect of ourselves not conveyable through technology.
There are number of rather complex issues here, but a superb, accessible introduction to this problem is Hubert Dreyfus’ On The Internet. It’s a short book; read the whole thing, and pay particular attention to the opening chapter and then the chapter on online education. Dreyfus’ work What Computers Can’t Do is also highly relevant, for much of the premises of technophiles are based on a profoundly wrong understanding of what it means to be a human being. There are profound reason why Artificial Intelligence projects will never work; and those reasons are directly related to the limitations of technology with respect to education.
Incidentally, what the original article say is the same tired old stuff technological enthusiasts have been saying for years, and the author is wrong for the same reasons. It simply shows how profoundly indebted people are to a very wrong and distorting idea of humanity, as well as how unclear they are about what what learning actually is and how much it depends on factors unique to embodied humans. Christians are no exception here; this is a cultural/philosophical problem, not a religious one.
It is simply impossible (that is, it can never happen) that distance learning, etc. can replace the traditional forms of education. That impossibility is grounded in a number of things, one of them having to do with what it means with respect for education and skill-acquisition to be essentially embodied - an aspect of ourselves not conveyable through technology.
There are number of rather complex issues here, but a superb, accessible introduction to this problem is Hubert Dreyfus’ On The Internet. It’s a short book; read the whole thing, and pay particular attention to the opening chapter and then the chapter on online education. Dreyfus’ work What Computers Can’t Do is also highly relevant, for much of the premises of technophiles are based on a profoundly wrong understanding of what it means to be a human being. There are profound reason why Artificial Intelligence projects will never work; and those reasons are directly related to the limitations of technology with respect to education.
Incidentally, what the original article say is the same tired old stuff technological enthusiasts have been saying for years, and the author is wrong for the same reasons. It simply shows how profoundly indebted people are to a very wrong and distorting idea of humanity, as well as how unclear they are about what what learning actually is and how much it depends on factors unique to embodied humans. Christians are no exception here; this is a cultural/philosophical problem, not a religious one.
the relationships - peer level and mentoring models - or even the peer community that is so important for college-aged kids.
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