Bob Jones III on President Obama: "Where is the evidence that he is a Christian?"

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Jim's picture

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/11/bob-jones-iii-on-obama-asks...

http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/11/bob-jones-iii-unplugged-on-ro...

On Romney:

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"I was listening to people around the state in the Christian circles that I move in, and I heard a lot of people whispering their appreciation for him with his business background and all, but 'He's a Mormon,' '' he said. "I understand that, but we are electing a president not a preacher

On Cain:

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"Frankly there's a whole lot about Cain that I like. I like anybody who stands a really good case of being the next man in the White House, who is not the man in the White House. I have no reason to believe these accusations are true. I've heard enough from the other side to believe their spurious. Who knows? I want to believe they are spurious.''

On Perry:

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On Texas Gov. Rick Perry: "Some really good friends of mine in Texas don't trust him a lick so that colors my view... I never got to the place where I could take him very seriously.''

On Santorum:

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"Santorum would be on top of my list to be honest with you. He has 16 years experience in the Senate. I think he's presidential in his demeanor, and I really like what I see as his character and his stand for decency during the time he was in the Senate. But he's not doing real well at the moment.

On endorsing and support:

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On whether he will eventually endorse a GOP candidate: "It might actually hurt. Nobody's asked for that, and I'm not inclined to do that at all. There's nothing to push me to stick out my neck out for anybody at this point...I'm still waiting to see who peaks to the surface and stands the best chance of beating Obama. Whoever that is I'll back him to the hilt.''

Dan Burrell's picture

We all need to pray that Stephen Jones makes a full and rapid recovery so that he can re-assume his roll at the University.

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Shaynus's picture

I went to BJU chapel for ten years. (7th Grade - Sr. Year of College) Dr. Bob was especially political during the late 90's and early 2000's. At one point he made a pretty bombastic comment about a Democrat (probably Hillary Clinton) and the audience was a little shocked and uncomfortable. Well, I sat near this autistic student, Michael, who had a hard time keeping thoughts inside. He blurted out really loud "Dr. Bob! You shouldn't have said that!"

James K's picture

You know, it almost sounds like Bob wants proof that Obama is saved in order to believe him. If you believe those on the outside of authentic fundamentalism, then you know that they think of Bob as some kind of hero for standing up to MacArthur on Lordship Salvation. Either Bob is saying what he always meant, Bob is changing his mind on LS without publicly agreeing with JM, the outsiders were wrong about him, or some combination.

Check out this take from a nonfundy: http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/search/label/Bob%20Jones ]here

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Chip Van Emmerik's picture

James K wrote:
You know, it almost sounds like Bob wants proof that Obama is saved in order to believe him. If you believe those on the outside of authentic fundamentalism, then you know that they think of Bob as some kind of hero for standing up to MacArthur on Lordship Salvation. Either Bob is saying what he always meant, Bob is changing his mind on LS without publicly agreeing with JM, the outsiders were wrong about him, or some combination.

Check out this take from a nonfundy: http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/search/label/Bob%20Jones ]here

While I hardly consider him part of historic fundamentalism, Lou defines himself as a fundamentalists to the best of my knowledge. In fact, I believe he considers himself one of the defenders of "true" fundamentalism. Regardless, he would never be someone I would point to for support of ANY position I want to defend. Nor would I trust ANY accusation he feels comfortable spewing forth.

Why is it that my voice always seems to be loudest when I am saying the dumbest things?

James K's picture

Chip, my point was that some think of Bob as an advocate of the very thing he is going against. You are correct about the quality of Bob's supporter I linked to.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Mike Durning's picture

Did anyone else see the early coverage of this on John King's CNN show? When they put the quote by Dr. Bob III up, there was a weird picture of a strikingly old man who looked nothing like BJIII next to the quote -- indicating they thought he was the Bob Jones under discussion.
I googled it. It was the "prophet Bob Jones" of www.bobjones.org. Great research, CNN! You clearly have your finger on the pulse of this movement! Nothing like taking the first google hit as your definitive source -- and that only works if you leave the "III" off.

Mike Harding's picture

James,

Based on my interaction with faculty and staff at BJU, including Dr. Bob Jones III, all would hold that there are necessary evidences of saving faith. My take on Dr. Bob's comments regarding the President's profession of faith is that he does not believe those evidences are there. Personally, I would agree. The church that President Obama attended for many years is quite liberal. His current positions and those of his administration on moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage are liberal as well. I think the president evidences common grace in a number of areas, but I am not convinced that he possesses saving grace. President Obama did not get my vote in the last election and he certainly will not get it in the next election.

Pastor Mike Harding

Jim's picture

BJ III has views on the candidates! Good! Don't we all.

I doubt that there are more than a mere (metaphorically speaking) handful of real Christians that believe Obama is a Christian.

So for me, the Obama's faith is an old issue ... about 4 years old!

He's still the President and I pray for him (not as often as I should to be honest!)

BJ III and I share the same view of Romney's Mormonism:

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"I understand that, but we are electing a president not a preacher"

About this election-cycle's Republican candidates. My view ... a rather disappointing bunch.

Shaynus's picture

I think it's possible that Obama might be a Christian. He's disobedient and theologically messed up, but it's possible. There are some indications in either direction, so I prefer to say I don't know and pray for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOOCABMz6jg

If George W. Bush were in my church, I might move to discipline him for the sin of non-attendance (apparently he still does not attend church even out of office).

Jay's picture

Jim Peet wrote:
About this election-cycle's Republican candidates. My view ... a rather disappointing bunch.

LOL - That's kind of like saying making http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickett%27s_Charge ]Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg may have been a "bad idea".

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

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Jim Peet wrote:
BJ III has views on the candidates! Good! Don't we all.

And don't forget, he has a really nice office.

I mean no disrespect to Dr. Bob III. The reporter simply did not pose any questions on issues that we should all really be concerned about. The Nation is at the lowest point in her history and excperiencing rapid disintegration. How should this impact the people of God and their choices in the upcoming election?

I just hate seeing God's men featured in meaningless articles.

James K's picture

Mike, I agree that there are necessary evidences as well. My point was that some have tried to use Bob as proof that he is against something. This article proves otherwise.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

Mike Harding's picture

James,

No problem. By the way let me take the opportunity to apologize for being too harsh with you and Jim when we interacted on another thread.

Pastor Mike Harding

James K's picture

Thanks Mike. I appreciate that.

1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.

JobK's picture

Mike Harding wrote:
James,

Based on my interaction with faculty and staff at BJU, including Dr. Bob Jones III, all would hold that there are necessary evidences of saving faith. My take on Dr. Bob's comments regarding the President's profession of faith is that he does not believe those evidences are there. Personally, I would agree. The church that President Obama attended for many years is quite liberal. His current positions and those of his administration on moral issues such as abortion and gay marriage are liberal as well. I think the president evidences common grace in a number of areas, but I am not convinced that he possesses saving grace. President Obama did not get my vote in the last election and he certainly will not get it in the next election.

What were the evidence that Dwight Eisenhower, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush or George W. Bush professed saving grace? What churches did they attend (those who attended church at all)? As far as moral issues like abortion and gay marriage (and by the way ... some of us consider wars for reasons other than self-defense to be moral issues also ... I'd guess that not a few unborn children were killed by our bombs in Iraq): there is what these people claim to support on one hand, and what their actions are on another. Ronald Reagan signed the nation's most liberal abortion and divorce laws as governor of California, and saved Roe v. Wade by putting Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy on the Supreme Court (both of whom were/are also reliable pro-homosexual votes). George H. W. Bush was pro-abortion, George W. Bush was pro-abortion (said so himself) and successfully blocked the push for a constitutional amendment to ban homosexual "marriage", appointed a record number of open homosexuals to posts in his administration, was the first president of either party to have an open homosexual as a prominent speaker at his presidential nominating convention (while the religious/social conservative speakers got relegated to the low profile speaking slots), and both Bushes put plenty of pro-abortion and pro-homosexual judges on the federal bench, as did Reagan and Nixon.

Plus Romney: he is Mormon. Santorum? Roman Catholic. Newt Gingrich: Roman Catholic with a sex scandal history little different from Bill Clinton, John Edwards or Ted Kennedy. Ron Paul: pro-homosexual and pro-illegal drugs. But when it is guys like that - and also when George W. Bush pushes heretical "many paths to the same God/the Bible is not literally true but contains moral instructions/Jesus Christ was a philosopher" we get "we are electing a commander in chief, not a theologian/pastor-in-chief" equivocations.

We need to quit using the faith as a partisan political weapon. Even non-Christians who don't know a thing about the Bible see right through us when we do this "being a Republican covers a multitude of sins/justification by GOP affiliation alone" nonsense.

Solo Christo, Soli Deo Gloria, Sola Fide, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura
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Shaynus's picture

If on the one hand it's helpful to point out that Obama isn't a Christian, it doesn't make sense to then say Romney's religion doesn't matter.

Mike Harding's picture

Job,

I agree with you about these others as well. I was simply explaining what Dr. Bob III meant by his remarks.

Pastor Mike Harding