Answering the 95 Theses Against Dispensationalism, Part 17

LookItUpRepublished with permission from Dr. Reluctant. In this series, Dr. Henebury responds to a collection of criticisms of dispensationalism entitled “95 Theses against Dispensationalism” written by a group called “The Nicene Council.” Read the series so far.

Thesis 75

Despite dispensationalism’s “plain and simple” method that undergirds its millennial views, it leads to the bizarre teaching that for 1000 years the earth will be inhabited by a mixed population of resurrected saints who return from heaven with Jesus living side-by-side with non-resurrected people, who will consist of unbelievers who allegedly but unaccountably survive the Second Coming as well as those who enter the millennium from the Great Tribulation as “a new generation of believers” (Walvoord).

Response: The “former dispensationalists” among their number ought to have been able to explain this “problem” to their brethren on the Council.

1. Concerning the “unaccountability” of unbelievers in the Millennium, Robert Thomas writes: “the battle of 19:19-21 resulted in death for all those not faithful to the Messiah. However, the redeemed but nonglorified population on earth survives the battle, enters the Millennium (cf. 11:13, 12:13-17), and reproduces offspring some of whom do not become saved as they mature. These unredeemed will comprise Satan’s rebellious army at the Millennium’s end.” (Revelation 8-22: An Exegetical Commentary, 410-411)

2. Those who enter into the Millennium will be those who do not take the mark of the Beast and who escape the death in the Tribulation. These will be protected in some way (cf. note the contrasts in Rev. 14:14-20) before the Second Coming (see 2 Thess. 1:7-10). The details are not supplied as to just how this will transpire, but the indications are clear enough that it will happen. There is no problem here.

3. What one thinks is bizarre in these matters is rather subjective. In heaven we shall be among all sorts of weird and wonderful creatures for example. Perhaps from our perspective the future may seem a little fantastic. That does not make it false. For our part, we think it bizarre that God could say what He said in Genesis 12:1-3, 7; 15:7-21; Isaiah 62; Jeremiah 33:15-26; and Zechariah 8:1-8, etc., etc., and not mean it!

Thesis 76

Despite dispensationalists’ claim to reasonableness for their views, they hold the bizarre teaching that after 1000 years of dwelling side-by-side with resurrected saints who never get ill or die, a vast multitude of unresurrected sinners whose number is “like the sand of the seashore,” will dare to revolt against the glorified Christ and His millions of glorified saints (Rev 20:7-9).

Response: What is bizarre is that these people have forgotten the sinfulness of sin. The book of Numbers ought to fix the problem. Seriously though, the problem is not with the sin issue, but with a lack of belief that the Bible means what it says. The fact that these men cite Revelation 20:7-9, interpret it literally, and then reject their own interpretation is the real problem.

Thesis 77

Despite the dispensationalists’ fundamental principle of God’s glory, they teach a second humiliation of Christ, wherein He returns to earth to set up His millennial kingdom, ruling it personally for 1000 years, only to have a multitude “like the sand of the seashore” revolt against His personal, beneficent rule toward the end (Rev 20:7-9).

Response: To put it plainly, this is pious nonsense. In the first place, Christ’s humiliation was His divestment of divine privileges and “taking upon Himself the form of a servant,” His reliance upon the Spirit and His submitting to abuse and cruel death. Nothing of the sort is involved in the Millennial Kingdom.

When Christ comes “to be glorified in His saints” (2 Thess.1:10), He will be acknowledged as “King of kings and Lord of lords” (Rev. 19:16). He will rule the nations with a rod of iron (Psa. 2:6-9, Rev. 12:5), and they shall worship Him (Zech. 14:16). We sense no humiliation here.

As far as the great revolt at the end of the Millennium is concerned, we ask how Christ will fail to be glorified in the final destruction of Satan and his hordes?

In company with Covenant theologians generally, the authors of the 95 Theses are interpreting the Bible with preconceived notions of what must be the case. These kinds of arguments are unconvincing to dispensationalists because these arguments lack objectivity and logical force (e.g. they cannot actually point to a logical fallacy—even though occasionally CT’s misconstrue rejection of their cherished opinions as violations of the law of non-contradiction).

Thesis 78

Despite the dispensationalists’ production of many adherents who “are excited about the very real potential for the rebuilding of Israel’s Temple in Jerusalem” (Randall Price) and who give funds for it, they do not understand that the whole idea of the temple system was associated with the old covenant which was “growing old” and was “ready to disappear” in the first century (Heb 8:13).

Response: Hebrews 8:13 is an allusion to Jeremiah 31. We realize the Nicene Council do not believe either Jeremiah 31:31-32 or Hebrews 8:8-13 is referring to a future Israel (even though Jer. 31:33 ought to make any CT think twice), because, after all, they have concluded that the church is “the new Israel.” Thus, whatever God promises in the OT to Israel by way of land, earthly king, priesthood and temple (please read Jer. 33:14-26!) can be summarily dismissed.

It is true, as Randall Price, being a sober writer, admits, that perhaps many who give money to the Temple Fund do not understand that the Temple they will build will be constructed, it appears, only by agreement with the Antichrist (cf. Dan. 9:26-27), who will have his own uses for it (Matt. 24:15, 2 Thess. 2:3-4, cf. Rev. 11:1-2 with 13:11-15). But nothing in Hebrews precludes a rebuilt Temple, either in the Tribulation or the Millennium which follows it.

Thesis 79

Contrary to dispensationalists’ expectation of a future physical temple in the millennium, wherein will be offered literal animal blood sacrifices, the New Testament teaches that Christ fulfilled the Passover and the Old Testament sacrificial system, so that Christ’s sacrifice was final, being “once for all” (Heb 10:10b), and that the new covenant causes the old covenant with its sacrifices to be “obsolete” (Heb 8:13).

Response: A careful examination of the future Temple described in minute detail in Ezekiel 40-48 (which detail is allegorized away by CT’s) will reveal, among other things, that there is no Day of Atonement; no Levitical high priest; and no veil cordoning off the Holy Place. The clear differences between the services of the First and Second Temples and that of Ezekiel’s Temple caused the Jews many headaches in accepting the canonicity of Ezekiel. The Mosaic Covenant was temporary and has been done away with by the New Covenant in Christ. But the Millennial Temple has a function within the New Covenant (have you read Jer. 33:14-26 yet?) See also Ezekiel 37:15-28, Zechariah 14:16-21 and Malachi 3:2-6!

I fully realize that non-dispensationalists will not allow these plain texts to be read at face value, but will force them into strange molds through their misunderstanding of the teaching of the New Testament. This will be addressed more in the future.

Discussion

I shall respond to bagridd in my own “bloviating” way. Here is a specimen of his “reasoning”:
Paul Henebury writes: “…and bagridd’s response is a misuse of 2 Cor. 1:20 with ‘Christ Jesus’ finished work fulfills the covenant oaths to Israel’. How does he know this?”

1 Corinth. 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Bagridd continues not to reason his way through Scripture. Instead, he settles for subjective proof-texting of the very worst sort. Since he never actually provides any rationale for his assemblages of texts, I shall try to divine his method:

1. It appears he thinks we should take the NT texts he cites at face-value.

2. It appears he thinks we should NOT take the OT texts which Mike and Jack and I have cited at face-value.

3. He hasn’t yet dawned on bagridd that we affirm what his proof-texts SAY.

4. What we deny is that they SAY anything about the issue we are supposed to be discussing (I realize he thinks they do, but he doesn’t see that what they actually say and what he thinks we must infer from them is not the same thing!).

One is reminded of dealing with a JW. When pointing to John 20:28 or Eph. 2:8-9 and asking the cultist to deal with that passage, one will immediately be redirected to Jn. 14:28 or Jam. 2:14, and the other texts will be ignored. Bagridd’s way of avoiding Scripture he doesn’t like is to quote Scripture he does like. Such a “procedure” certainly protects his little cocoon, but it does not further his cause. Neither does it refute anything we have said. This is simply irresistible ignorance.

It seems (it is difficult to say for sure, because bagridd never actually gives us a reasoned argument) that he thinks OT saints centuries before the Cross knew all about 1 Cor. 15:1-4. He provides no verse which says that (although he thinks they do!). This brings up another matter which I am sure will be greeted with another dollop of random passages with nothing to do with the subject: if OT saints knew that Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ and that He died on a Roman Cross and rose from the dead, why do we need, say, the books of Romans and Galatians? And how do we explain the lack of understanding of Christ’s own disciples concerning these things?

He then misrepresents me:
Paul Henebury writes: “He has not even addressed one text I raised. He just blows past them with an assertion.”

Paul Henebury had also written: “But nothing in Hebrews precludes a rebuilt Temple, either in the Tribulation or the Millennium which follows it,”

[No text from the Letter to the Hebrews supporting the concept of a “rebuilt temple” has been provided.]
Well, how can I provide a text from Hebrews about a rebuilt temple when Hebrews doesn’t deal with the subject? This “omission” in the Book of Hebrews bagridd takes as a green light to deny a future temple! Again I say, Eh? I just can’t fathom his premises.

Look, if someone wants to critique dispensatinalism, I’m all for it! I have done it myself! [ http://drreluctant.wordpress.com/2011/07/27/articles-on-dispensationali… ] We all need to hear what our critics have to say. But let there be some actual discussion. Let there be some dealing with the OT texts which promise such a thing (we’ll skip the NT for the moment). Let there be some theological reasoning! Is that asking too much?

I ask bagridd, therefore, to cease countering Scripture with Scripture. That is NOT what the Holy Spirit intended by 1 Cor. 2:13! He says that I am pompous. I suppose that is because I think his indiscriminate proof-texting is plain daft. Whatever; he announces unpompously, “Scripture Speaks.” What he really means by that is that his proof-texts “speak” but Scripture he would rather ignore (and then proceeds to do just that) does not speak – or, if it does, it doesn’t “speak” in the way his texts “speak.” Again, God does not prevaricate (Psa. 89:33-37 with Jer. 33:14ff.). He means what He says – in both Testaments!

Dr. Paul Henebury

I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca.

Jack Hampton wrote: “Your eschatolgy makes God out to be a liar who made a promise to David and then turn around and never fulfilled that promise.

And you think that you can just string together a bunch of verses and that somehow answers this point! You are sadly mistaken because the verses which you quoted answered nothing.”

The Lord Jesus condemned murderous, religious Jews for their ignorance of His testimony in the scriptures, an ignorance repeated in a dispensationalism-enflamed contempt for “a bunch of verses” that “answered nothing.”

John 5:39 “Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.”

“It is you who is displaying the same ignorance of the unbelievers. You refuse to deal with the points which I made. You have no answer so you do not even attempt to defend your bankrupt ideas.”

Your “points” arise from ignorance of an Old Testament testifying to the Lord Jesus (John 5:39). Believing “all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us (2 Corinth. 1:20),” is hardly a “bankrupt” idea. Your obsession with defending “a promise to David…never fulfilled” has blinded you to Him who said, “…I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star (Rev. 22:16).” You degrade scripture, calling it, “a bunch of verses” that “answered nothing” because they won’t consort with dispensationalist meanings “after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ (Colossians 2:8).”

“Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which mans wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual (1 Corinthians 2:12,13).”

The Holy Ghost teaches the preeminence of the Lord Jesus in the opening verses and throughout the body of the letter to Hebrew Christians: “But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building (9:11)”; “For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us (9:24).” As prophesied, He fulfills the purpose of the earthly temple and ritual. The New Testament “text” “proves” this.

“Man’s wisdom” observes that the Hebrew letter “doesn’t deal with the subject” of a rebuilt temple, yet it asserts, “But nothing in Hebrews precludes a rebuilt Temple, either in the Tribulation or the Millennium which follows it.” The absence of dispensationalist dogma in the Holy Ghost’s teaching to the Hebrews is handled as if it were presence. This is the output of Paul Henebury’s “theological reasoning.”

Is this guy for real?

Dr. Paul Henebury

I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca.

So I was reading Ezekiel this morning, and this passage struck my fancy:
[Ezekiel 43:1-9] The Glory of the LORD Fills the Temple

Then he led me to the gate, the gate facing east. And behold, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the east. And the sound of his coming was like the sound of many waters, and the earth shone with his glory. And the vision I saw was just like the vision that I had seen when he came to destroy the city, and just like the vision that I had seen by the Chebar canal. And I fell on my face. As the glory of the LORD entered the temple by the gate facing east, the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the LORD filled the temple.

While the man was standing beside me, I heard one speaking to me out of the temple, and he said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of my throne and the place of the soles of my feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the people of Israel forever. And the house of Israel shall no more defile my holy name, neither they, nor their kings, by their whoring and by the dead bodies of their kings at their high places, by setting their threshold by my threshold and their doorposts beside my doorposts, with only a wall between me and them. They have defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed, so I have consumed them in my anger. Now let them put away their whoring and the dead bodies of their kings far from me, and I will dwell in their midst forever.
I was encouraged by the teaching that God will not reject OT Israel forever. What a long-suffering God we serve!

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells

“Is this guy for real?”

— Dr. Paul Henebury

I teach at at Veritas School of Theology :-)

[bagridd] “Is this guy for real?”

— Dr. Paul Henebury

I teach at at Veritas School of Theology :-)
Huh?

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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)

Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA

Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University