Two Men Worth Commending
Praise where praise is due! In recent days, two men, both pastors, have done us a favor by setting a public example of taking a stand in an unpopular arena. The first is Hershael York, pastor of the Buck Run Baptist Church of Frankfort, Kentucky. He was invited to deliver the invocation before the Kentucky legislature on the night in which Governor Steve Beshear would deliver his budget speech. Beshear is lobbying hard for legalizing gambling in the state, largely because Kentucky dollars are going to neighboring states that allow gambling. Beshear is another politician in a long line of pragmatists who think that the end justifies the means. York, in striking contrast, offered this prayer for the legislators:
Help us to admit that we cannot truly love our neighbor as ourselves and then scheme to get his money by enticing him with vain hope. May they not lead this state to share profits from an industry that preys on greed or desperation.
Help us to foster salaries and not slot machines, to build cars and enable jobs—not license casinos and seduce the simple into losing what they have. May their greatest concern not be that we get our share of the family’s losses, but that we foster a sense of hope and justice that creates opportunity and leads to success.
Bully for York for offering a courageous prayer in the face of such pressure. In doing so, he is standing in a long line of preachers and prophets who had the opportunity and courage to cry out against the iniquity of the day. Like Nathan the prophet rebuking King David, or John Knox shaking his finger in the face of the Queen, York besought God publicly for politicians to put righteousness ahead of expediency. Sadly, his prayer fell on the governor’s deaf ears, as the video linked above demonstrates: Beshear followed York’s invocation by continuing to angle for legalized gaming.
The other man worthy of commendation, also a Southern Baptist, is Voddie Baucham, Pastor of Preaching at the Grace Family Baptist Church of Spring, Texas. Baucham was invited to fill the spot vacated by Mark Dever in James MacDonald’s Elephant Room 2. Dever bowed out when he learned that MacDonald had also invited Bishop T. D. Jakes of the Potter’s House; Jakes is a Oneness Pentecostal who preaches a prosperity gospel. With Dever gone, MacDonald invited Baucham to stand in. Baucham considered the venue and the invitation of Jakes and declined the invitation.
However, Baucham had already been scheduled to preach at a Harvest-sponsored Men’s Conference that followed shortly after the Elephant Room 2 conversation. Enough has been written on the lack of clarity with which Jakes answered the questions on his view of the Trinity and the shallowness of the nature of some of those questions. However, Baucham had to field questions from his own constituency about the Elephant Room conversation because of the following Men’s Conference.
Because of the lack of clarity on the Trinity and the failure of the ER2 participants to address Jakes’s prosperity gospel, Baucham responded publicly to the issue via his Facebook page knowing full well that he was to preach for MacDonald soon thereafter. Baucham showed up at Harvest and, after a brief conversation with MacDonald, was disinvited from speaking at the Men’s Conference. Baucham’s rationale for speaking out against the ER2 interview with Jakes may be found here.
Whether or not one agrees with these men over their association with the Southern Baptist Convention, we can certainly appreciate their forthright stand for righteousness in the face of a clear challenge to truth. York could have privately admonished the governor against the gambling issue and Baucham could have chosen remain silent after the ER2 meeting, but both men felt that silence on their part implied some form of tacit agreement. Both men are to be commended for the stand. They serve as models of gracious opposition.
For All The Saints
William W. How (1823-1897)
For all the saints who from their labors rest,
Who thee by faith before the world confessed,
Thy Name, O Jesus, be for ever blest.
Alleluia! Alleluia!
Thou wast their Rock, their Fortress, and their Might;
Thou, Lord, their Captain in the well-fought fight;
Thou, in the darkness drear, their one true Light.
Alleluia! Alleluia!
O may thy soldiers, faithful, true, and bold,
Fight as the saints who nobly fought of old,
And win with them the victor’s crown of gold.
Alleluia! Alleluia!
The golden evening brightens in the west;
Soon, soon to faithful warriors comes their rest;
Sweet is the calm of Paradise the blest.
Alleluia! Alleluia!
But lo! there breaks a yet more glorious day;
The saints triumphant rise in bright array;
The King of Glory passes on his way.
Alleluia! Alleluia!
From earth’s wide bounds, from ocean’s farthest coast,
Through gates of pearl streams in the countless host,
Singing to Father, Son and Holy Ghost,
Alleluia! Alleluia!
Jeff Straub Bio
Jeff Straub (PhD, Southern Baptist Seminary) is professor of historical theology at Central Baptist Theological Seminary, Plymouth, MN. Not every one of the professors, students, or alumni of Central Seminary necessarily agrees with every opinion that it expresses.
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As for the prayer… well, he’s got some good points there but prayer isn’t a good substitute for debate. It isn’t the place to make these points.
I can’t blame York for wanting to bring some attention to his ideas. Good intentions.
But the idea that gambling exploits the poor really should be debated in the legislature, so… pressure on a representative, or an organized protest (which is also pressure on a representative) etc., would be some better options.
A prayer is just not the place to preach against something.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
Preachers must be free to bring up the evil in our midst when we are bowed before the Lord as the Spirit of God directs. When I offered that public prayer, I felt that it would have been wickedness for us all to sit there bowed in the presence of the Almighty and not mention this issue which was heavy on poeple’s minds.
The whole prayer can be heard http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?id=36995] here
1. Decline the invitation for any number of reasons and avoided the issue
2. Accept the invitation but keep the prayer completely free of any reference to the issues at hand.
3. Accept the invitation and say something
4. Is there another option I am missing?
If he had done #1, he would, I think, implicitly say pastors have no roll in the secular world.
If he had done #2, he would have failed at being salt and light, IMO. How does a faithful man of God pray a prayer in this kind of a venue that offends no one?
If he did #3 but said less, he would still have been criticizing for saying ANYthing.
Assuming he was genuinely praying … Who among us NEVER says anything in our prayers that someone wouldn’t conceive of as preaching?
Aaron, I have never to, my knowledge, heard you pray publicly, much less in your own church, but I wonder if your church people would say you NEVER preach when you pray? I have regularly prayed in such a way to carry on my sermon, not to give myself an extra 5 minutes of preaching but to implore God to lead the people to do what I have just proclaimed.
If York was genuinely praying and he wished to honor God and beseech him with specifity for the need of the hour in the face of a governor intent on pushing through an act that promotes societal degeneration, what should he have said?
Therefore, kudos!
Jeff Straub
Aaron, I have never to, my knowledge, heard you pray publicly, much less in your own church, but I wonder if your church people would say you NEVER preach when you pray?I don’t believe I claimed to have never done it. ( http://www.fallacyfiles.org/tuquoque.html tu quoque ?) I do consciously try to avoid it.
It would be possible and appropriate to reference the situation in the prayer. But York’s prayer goes way beyond that.
Assuming Herschel did not invite himself to give the invocation and assuming that he had good reason to believe that the governor would advocate FOR the acceptance of gaming in KY in his speech, what COULD he have done?This was a meeting of the legislature, right? Why would seeking God for wisdom and courage on behalf of the group constitute an endorsement of any of their decisions? Unless I’m missing something, there would be no reason to see it that way. We do not have a command to “use public prayers as salt and light,” so an opportunity to pray is probably not an opportunity to ‘be salt and light’ in that sense.
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
[Aaron Blumer]We do not have a command to “use public prayers as salt and light,” so an opportunity to pray is probably not an opportunity to ‘be salt and light’ in that sense.Soooooooo the only way to be salt and light in our world must be commanded?
Ok, but this view seems a bit narrow to me.
Jeff Straub
About this privelege we have received instruction.
[JS] Soooooooo the only way to be salt and light in our world must be commanded?No, didn’t say that either.
Ok, but this view seems a bit narrow to me.
Your argument was:
If he attends the event and doesn’t speak out against its decisions in his prayer, he is failing to be salt and light.
My counter was:
We do not have a command to be salt in light via our prayers.
So, while I would agree that “being salt and light” is a principle with many applications, it isn’t obvious that using a prayer to denounce legislation is one of those applications (i.e., that refraining to use a prayer this way would be a failure to live that principle.)
So the question would be, why should we conclude that the salt and light principle requires this particular application?
Views expressed are always my own and not my employer's, my church's, my family's, my neighbors', or my pets'. The house plants have authorized me to speak for them, however, and they always agree with me.
I would argee that if it was simply York’s intention to make a point to the legislators and he chose this avenue to do it, then it would be inappropriate.
But giving him the benefit of the doubt … no doubt (and maybe there is doubt) there were legistors waffling on what to do in this instance and York was imploring heaven to aid them to do what was right.
Was he merely over zealous and said too much, or are you arguing that he should not have said anything at all?
My whole point with the essay was to say that here were two men with conviction that took their stand on matters they felt important. And they did not do so in the closet. It really was not to suggest that everything they did or said was spot on or couldn’t have been done better.
Jeff Straub
I think it is the notion of taking a stand via prayer. Seems like a misuse in a way I might not fully be able to articulate other than to say doing so seems to me to change the primary focus of prayer.
The only close scriptural example I can think of is Nehemiah’s prayer, likely in the presence of the earthly king to whom he was about to appeal.
O Lord, let your ear be attentive to the prayer of your servant, and to the prayer of your servants who delight to fear your name, and give success to your servant today, and grant him mercy in the sight of [the king].No specifics, if this is a word for word record.
I agree with Dr. Straub that it would have been a failure, given the circumstance, for Pastor York to say nothing. I also agree that public prayer is not the time for debate. It would have been sufficient to pray that the decisions of the day would be made, not for convenience or financial benefit, but based on righteous principles. You are asking >God< to work, and He knows exactly what you mean, and so does everyone else who is willing to think about righteous principles. Those who aren’t willing aren’t going to listen to your prayer anyway. More than that certainly could have been said, but in my opinion (which few people care about, and perhaps some who do care shouldn’t :)), he crossed the line into debate.
To recite debate points in prayer is both lowering prayer (as others have noted) and a form of political cheating. On a political level, it is somewhat akin to President Obama blasting SCOTUS in the State of the Union address. They had to listen and couldn’t respond. It is cheap and tacky. I’m glad he wanted to take a stand and had the courage to do so, but this was not the way to do it.
If the legislature was about to vote on abortion and York prayed that people would not consent to mindless infanticide, that would not be inappropriate at all. Scripture truth is not debate talking points.
1 Kings 8:60 - so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God and that there is no other.
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