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By J Johnson Sun, 02/13/2011 - 5:57am
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Considering doing college, as I have many times - likely I will end up wasting your time Smile.

I want one that (is)..

Accredited (So that Gov't will help pay.)
Allows campus carry (concealed weapon.)
And of course, the more accurate the doctrine, the better.

In case you needed to know:
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From concealedcampus.org,

"There are 24 states that expressly prohibit concealed carry on college campuses by persons with a valid concealed handgun license/permit. These states are Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont, and Wyoming. Texas law specifically prohibits concealed carry on campus but includes a clause which allows an individual college/university to 'opt out' of the law and allow concealed carry.

15 "Right-to-Carry" states leave the decision of concealed carry on college campuses entirely to each college/university. A person with a license/permit who was caught carrying a firearm on a college campus could not be held criminally liable but students and employees of a university would be expelled or have their employment terminated. These states are Alaska, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Virginia, Washington, and West Virginia.

Though these states contain a few colleges/universities, such as Colorado State University (Fort Collins, CO) and Blue Ridge Community College (Weyers Cave, VA), that allow concealed carry on campus, most prohibit it. Utah is the only state to allow concealed carry at all public colleges/universities, by prohibiting public colleges/universities from creating their own restrictions."

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Sun, 02/13/2011 - 2:07pm
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Without sounding too harsh,

Without sounding too harsh, don't go to school if one of your primary reasons for considering a school is whether you can conceal or not.

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Sun, 02/13/2011 - 3:00pm
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I think your personal opinion

I think your personal opinion on carry is inappropriate. I shouldn't go to school at all because I want to find one that allows carry, which is a right given to us by the constitution? You'd rather tell me not to go to bible school at all?

Well, I have to disagree.

You really should read the statistics.

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Tue, 02/15/2011 - 11:48am
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J Johnson, I think you missed

J Johnson,

I think you missed Daniel's point. It is odd that your seemingly number one priority is that a Christian college allows CCW's. Quite frankly, that comes across as being more carnal than spiritual. Am I glad that we have the Second Ammendment in the US? Yes. If the Lord allows us to loose this freedom is it going to change what I do? No, I will continue preaching the Gospel and seeking to make and mature Christ-like disciples.

Being able to have a CCW, should be on your wish list for a Christian college, not your must list.

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Tue, 02/15/2011 - 8:13pm
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Huh?
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And of course, the more accurate the doctrine, the better.

Let me encourage you to put this first on your list, because there's nothing like spending four (or more years, if you go to seminary) learning something and then finding out that what you learned was totally wrong.

I doubt that a lot of "good" schools will allow you to get the kind of Federal help necessary for you to graduate with a bare minimum of student debt. That goes doubly if you're considering getting a Bible School degree, where well paying jobs are few and far between. Personally, I not would consider hiring a pastor for my church if they had more than 10K in student loan debt. I would STRONGLY advise against student loans or Federal education help for anyone considering ministry. Ministry simply doesn't pay enough to cover student loans, especially since most guys are graduating and getting married when they're done in undergrad and have wedding, housing, children, and other living expenses as well.

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Wed, 02/16/2011 - 2:41am
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Jay, the Gov't would pay it -

Jay, the Gov't would pay it (as far as I understand) - not give me a loan. Wink

Roger, I'm glad you said SEEMINGLY my number one priority, because I never said that. I'm not even sure why you think that, except that I gave a list of states that allow it (Almost no one knows which those are, of course I would list them.)

I am upset that no one has suggested colleges. The theoretical answer that I should be more concerned with doctrine, etc. are you saying I can't have both?

I can't make doctrine the number one thing, in this sense: If the best schools aren't accredited, which seems to be true. And if the gov't will only pay for accredited education, then I can't have the best.
It may be that there are no accredited schools worth going to at all. That's fine, just tell me.

Realistically speaking, who really makes doctrine #1 in this sense? Did you search for all schools all over the world? Did you consider the churches you could attend while going to school? Can you afford "the" best? etc.

I care about doctrine greatly. But realistically, we can't have the best. And I can't pay for school myself. I'm not going to save up 20-60k to go to school many years from now.

It's not a big deal for me, I was only considering the idea and probably wouldn't actually go through with it - as I said above. But it is a shame that no one has answered my question. Not even to tell me, "There are no schools with good doctrine that allow CCW."

I don't want my comments to be taken the wrong way. Doctrine is most important, but I'm saying that we can't have the best - we have to settle for: mostly great.. Men run schools, men are sinners. . . Some are out of our price range. Some are too far away. We may have obligations in a certain place. etc... We do something, we don't just twiddle our thumbs because of imperfection. Sure, maybe I can't have CCW and a good school - fine. But is that actually true?

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Wed, 02/16/2011 - 10:57am
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The reason we took you to

The reason we took you to mean doctrine wasn't your number one priority is because it was third on your list. But I am glad to see that that is your first priority. As far as your CCW concern, I don't think there is any college in the country that would allow it-be it a Bible college, Christian university, seminary, are secular school. It's a right you should be willing to temporarily give up to get trained for service in the Higher Kingdom.

I am glad that you are worrying about cost because that is a Biblical thing to do. However, you need to remember if God orders something, He will pay for it. Many of us had to pay for all or most of our education without governement or parental help. I have one friend that went to BJU with $500 in his pocket. At the time the cost of room board and tuition was about $7000. Every summer but one, he worked at a camp, making about $25 a week. He worked 40 hrs a week in the dinning common and when he graduated he owed about $5000. If you do the math, he should have owed more, but God took care of it. Others alternate between going a sememster and droping out from time to time to work a semester. I know how difficult this is. I was there, eventhough I never had to drop out.

My point is to get you thinking out of the box a little. Many have been in your situation and God has seen them through. That being said, Clearwater and Maranatha are both regionally accredited. Northland and BJ are nationally accredited. There are tons of private scholarships to apply for and I think any admissions counselor could help you with that. I will pray God gives you wisdom in pursuing your service for Him

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Wed, 02/16/2011 - 11:14am
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I echo Roger's comment.

I echo Roger's comment. Except for a little help from my parents that probably equaled no more than 2k dollars, God provided for me for 5 years. I think my freshman year (room, board, and tuition) was probably about 13k and by the end was probably closer to 17k. I graduated with about 12k in school debt all from my last year.

On top of that, my brother is doing pharmaceutical school, and he is paying his way through as well. My older brother did the same thing, but never finished his degree. (he had about 10 credits left)

It really depends a lot on how hard you want to work. My brother works about 40 hours a week plus school and study. You can also look for non-technical intern positions at big companies. They tend to pay a lot. I started at 14 an hour doing data entry the summer of my sophomore year.

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Wed, 02/16/2011 - 5:50pm
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O.K., Thanks.

O.K., Thanks.

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