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By J Johnson Mon, 05/09/2011 - 2:53am
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I am considering using the FAFSA to help me pay for college. It's a government program that gives you grants and if you want them, loans to pay for your school.

They decide how much they will give you on your (or if you're under 24, you and your parent's) income.

The problem is that my father declares no income, even though I know he has one. I wouldn't be responsible, he lied to me about his income, etc.

Regardless, I know it's not true and I don't know how much, if any, I would get if I had his true income.

Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:29am
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You should report your father to the IRS

You should report your father to the IRS

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Fri, 05/13/2011 - 1:21am
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I tend to agree with Jim, but that's not the question you asked.

I haven't seen the forms in 10 years, but usually that type of document requires you to attest that all the information included in the application is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. It sounds like that's a representation you'd not be able to make.

    
Fri, 05/13/2011 - 8:33pm
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Independent Status

The important question here is if your parents are supporing you or will be supporting you in college.

If they will not, you should consider asking for independent status. The official list for automatic independent status is...
You are enrolled in a Masters program, Doctorate Degree, or graduate Certification program
age does not matter, if you are enrolled in any of these types of programs you are considered and independent student
You have a child or children that are your legal dependent(s)
you may have a family member etc. that is considered your dependent…he/she does not necessarily have to be a child
You are married
You are under the age of 24 and both of your parents are deceased
You were a ward of your state until you were 18 years of age
You are 24 years of age or older
You are a Veteran of the United States Armed Force
You were a foster child after the age of 13.
You are an emancipated child as determined by a court judge.
You are homeless or at risk of homelessness as determined by the director of a HUD approved homeless shelter, transitional program, or high school liaison.

However, your school is allowed to consider you for a "professional judment overide on dependency status". Move out, and break all dependency. Tell the school your parents are not going to be supporting you.

If they will be supporting you, then there's your real problem. Your act of fraud would be claiming they can't support you, when they will -- regardless of what they do on their tax forms.

    
Sun, 05/22/2011 - 2:51pm
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" Move out, and break all

" Move out, and break all dependency. Tell the school your parents are not going to be supporting you. "

"If they will be supporting you, then there's your real problem. Your act of fraud would be claiming they can't support you, when they will -- regardless of what they do on their tax forms. "

Very well stated Mike.
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"You should report your father to the IRS"

Jim, -

Exd 21:15 ¶ And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
or-
Exd 21:17 ¶ And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
or even now -
Lev 19:3 ¶ Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I [am ] the LORD your God.

Wonder what getting your parent imprisoned will get you ? Wonder what the judgement would have been for telling a kid to curse his father ?

    
Sun, 05/22/2011 - 7:29pm
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There are many reasons why a

There are many reasons why a person may have no income. Many in business have enough expenses to zero out the income even though they had real income. This is quite common.

I would not accept this information at face value. It appears incomplete or perhaps the parents information is misunderstood.

Any problems are between the IRS and the Father and then of course between the Father and God. The child should confront the father and attempt to get correct information. He has no duty to go further unless it causes him direct problems. If there is dishonesty then the child should urge the father to do the right thing and pray for him.

    
Sun, 06/05/2011 - 2:18pm
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Having no income is one

Having no income is one thing, but not filing is another. J Johnson, you need to get to the bottom of this and urge your father to submit to earthly authorities because this is part of submitting to Christ.

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Wed, 06/22/2011 - 3:41am
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It is not an option to report

It is not an option to report my father, because I don't have the "proof." The IRS is already on to him, but I don't think they know all of it (yet?)

Also, he is in a new age cult.

Regardless, I ended up not doing college, at least not this go around. I couldn't find one that was good enough for me. I'm too picky.

    
Thu, 06/23/2011 - 12:22pm
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Ah, but are you good enough for any of the colleges? God uses the good and the bad of Christian college to shape those submissive to His will. His grace is given to the humble. Your last statement makes me wonder about your relationship to your Dad and other God ordained authorities.

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Tue, 07/05/2011 - 3:18pm
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I was looking at secular

I was looking at secular colleges.

    
Tue, 07/05/2011 - 3:37pm
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J Johnson wrote: It is not an

J Johnson wrote:
It is not an option to report my father, because I don't have the "proof." The IRS is already on to him, but I don't think they know all of it (yet?)

If you don't have the proof, I'm not sure how you know anything. If you have the details, then that's one thing, but if, as a dependent, and you don't know much about your parents and their financial status, then you could sign that as far as you know, it's accurate--

But, as Bob T. said, it is possible, if you are self-employed, to be able to realize a 'loss" because of the business. Or one business can have a loss to counteract against another one that is making money (I think). Seems like I read that a while ago.

But, more than anything, it sounds like you don't really know too much. And if the IRS is already on to your dad, time will tell. They'll continue to investigate, and you won't have to do anything.

No school good enough for you? Hmmm...