Dr. Bauder’s got a very strong argument and point here. I hope that he is able to get a copy of this Nick to Dr. Mohler.
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
At the end of the day, I think it is a mistake to say of Mormons that “We stand together for the natural family, for natural marriage, for the integrity of sexuality within marriage alone, and for the hope of human flourishing.”
The common opponent Mohler was taking on in the speech, as I understood it, was homosexual or same-sex marriage. I understand that, as Kevin put it, “Salt Lake City Mormons have abandoned the practice of public polygamy.” But even if some were “on the fence,” if you will, what is it about the statement that Bauder quotes Mohler that would be undermined by polygamy or the sealed marriage position he speaks of? Whatever else, I don’t know of any allowances in LDS theology for homosexuality. It seems to me Mohler’s statement does not say that they together affirm Biblicalmarriage.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed (Gal 1:8-9)
I understand that you strongly disagree with both men, but surely you cannot substantiate that they both teach a false Gospel. They each affirm the fundamentals of the faith, as well.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
That article distorts the scripture’s plain meaning. Those who receive the mark of the beast are forever sealed for damnation. When God’s wrath is poured upon the Earth during the last days, the time of repentance will be over. It will be judgment time. Those who receive the mark and worship the beast will have their hearts hardened. They will be unable to repent. They will persecute the true believers and put them to death, doing atrocious things to them. Unbelievers will be cursing God for all the misery and pain that is being poured upon them. No where do I see anything about unbelievers with the mark repenting and turning to God.
As Tyler has already observed, it is one thing to disagree with the position, even strongly so. It is another thing completely to call someone a false teacher based solely on the conclusion of the interpretation of this specific text.
For that matter, you are calling someone a false teacher who has nothing immediately to do with the topic at hand, which is Mohler, Mormons, and Marriage, not MacArthur and the Mark. Mohler and MacArthur don’t even share the same eschatological positions.
Your second paragraph is a fine example of alliteration … :-)
[Greg Linscott]
CC:
For that matter, you are calling someone a false teacher who has nothing immediately to do with the topic at hand, which is Mohler, Mormons, and Marriage, not MacArthur and the Mark. Mohler and MacArthur don’t even share the same eschatological positions.
[PLewis] Your second paragraph is a fine example of alliteration … :-)
[Greg Linscott]
CC:
For that matter, you are calling someone a false teacher who has nothing immediately to do with the topic at hand, which is Mohler, Mormons, and Marriage, not MacArthur and the Mark. Mohler and MacArthur don’t even share the same eschatological positions.
PLewis,
Your meticulous monitoring of my miniscule manuscript is marvelous. ;)
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NewAmen brother.
Amen brother.
NewMohler is a false teacher. He
Mohler is a false teacher. He wants to introduce the idea of Ecumenism.
NewChristian
That is a very ill-informed statement.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewGood idea
Dr. Bauder’s got a very strong argument and point here. I hope that he is able to get a copy of this Nick to Dr. Mohler.
"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin is...no longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells
NewWell said Dr. Bauder.
Well said Dr. Bauder.
Pastor Mike Harding
NewI am admittedly a fan of Dr.
I am admittedly a fan of Dr. Mohler, but Dr. Bauder makes some great points in this article. Thank you.
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Greg Long, Ed.D. (SBTS)
Pastor of Adult Ministries
Grace Church, Des Moines, IA
Adjunct Instructor
School of Divinity
Liberty University
NewQuestion
The common opponent Mohler was taking on in the speech, as I understood it, was homosexual or same-sex marriage. I understand that, as Kevin put it, “Salt Lake City Mormons have abandoned the practice of public polygamy.” But even if some were “on the fence,” if you will, what is it about the statement that Bauder quotes Mohler that would be undermined by polygamy or the sealed marriage position he speaks of? Whatever else, I don’t know of any allowances in LDS theology for homosexuality. It seems to me Mohler’s statement does not say that they together affirm Biblical marriage.
Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN
NewAlbert Mohler is a false
Albert Mohler is a false teacher like John Macarthur. John Macarthur teaches that it is OK to receive the mark of the beast.
NewI see . . .
Christian:
A false teacher teaches a false gospel:
I understand that you strongly disagree with both men, but surely you cannot substantiate that they both teach a false Gospel. They each affirm the fundamentals of the faith, as well.
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewLovely...
This is the matter to which CC is apparently referring to…
Unforgivable?
Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN
NewThat article distorts the
That article distorts the scripture’s plain meaning. Those who receive the mark of the beast are forever sealed for damnation. When God’s wrath is poured upon the Earth during the last days, the time of repentance will be over. It will be judgment time. Those who receive the mark and worship the beast will have their hearts hardened. They will be unable to repent. They will persecute the true believers and put them to death, doing atrocious things to them. Unbelievers will be cursing God for all the misery and pain that is being poured upon them. No where do I see anything about unbelievers with the mark repenting and turning to God.
NewEschatology
The finer points of eschatology are the third rail of Christian fellowship. Let us return to Dr. Mohler and Mormonism!
Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government.
NewOut of line, and off topic
CC:
As Tyler has already observed, it is one thing to disagree with the position, even strongly so. It is another thing completely to call someone a false teacher based solely on the conclusion of the interpretation of this specific text.
For that matter, you are calling someone a false teacher who has nothing immediately to do with the topic at hand, which is Mohler, Mormons, and Marriage, not MacArthur and the Mark. Mohler and MacArthur don’t even share the same eschatological positions.
Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN
NewTOTALLY off topic .. but
NewMarvelous
PLewis,
Your meticulous monitoring of my miniscule manuscript is marvelous. ;)
Greg Linscott
Marshall, MN