Another example of why Christians need sound, biblical teaching on LGBTQ issues

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Aaron Blumer's picture


Pastor Patrick Boyle of Orlando’s Revival Baptist Church is hosting the conference timed to Gay Pride Week ...Boyle claims he wants to make American straight “again,” but only by condemning LGBTQ community. “The Bible says ‘That which is crooked cannot be made straight.'”

Apparently never read 1 Cor. 6:10-11.

... or even 1 Tim. 1:15

TylerR's picture


'cuz we're a bunch of good ole boys ...

Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and an Investigations Manager with a Washington State agency. He's the author of the book What's It Mean to Be a Baptist?

Joeb's picture

Aaron fruits kooks and nuts are everywhere.  My argument has always been that the Fundy/Evangelical community caters to them instead of very publicly calling them out or shunning them.  BJU and Others to their detriment cater to these fringe nuts.  Hence they embolden them.  

  Not so long ago Bob Jones the 3rd held the same position as these nuts.  Jones the 3rd held it for a long time yet not one person confronted him about his sin.  These type of actions is what has empowered these kooks in all Christianity in the US.  This is why the non believers attack us and we deserve it.    

Aaron Blumer's picture


It's possible for a reasonable person who isn't a hater to misinterpret Roman 1:18-32 (mostly by looking at 24-28 without the rest...and ignoring lots of other passages) to mean that all homosexuals are beyond redemption due to reprobation.

One could believe that and be saddened rather than gleeful or hateful. 

That's quite a different thing from advocating that they should all be executed. 

As for BJ III, I don't recall ever hearing or reading him hold to either of these views. 


Bert Perry's picture

Steven Anderson, famous for his rantings about "pisseth against a wall", is involved.  I am shocked, shocked!  (here are your winnings, sir)

To the point of "why always us?", it strikes me that the pentamatics get it, too, but due to various factors, sometimes we Baptists get blamed for it.  I have a hunch that it has something to do with fine folks like Mr. Anderson.  Good example; Pat Robertson sometimes gets pinned as a Baptist.

Aspiring to be a stick in the mud.

Joeb's picture

Aaron on March 22 2015 Bob Jones the 3rd publicly apologized for hold the position that gays should be killed.   His public apology was widely broadcasted by the media. I believe Jones said something to the effect that they should be hung from the closest tree.  Again he was probably catering to the Fringe elements associated with Bob Jones University.  I personally don’t believe he held that position in his heart of hearts.  I just think he was trying to appeal to the Fringe elements so he could keep them sending their sons and daughters to BJU.  

Still not a good idea and BJU is still trying to keep those Fringe elements happy while trying to appeal to a wider group of Christian Families.    I say dump the Fringe as far as being to legalistic and sell your academics otherwise you will be continued to be associated with the fruits and nuts calling for the gays to get the death penalty.  

There is fruits and nuts and kooks in every group. Also at times we can all be a little loony.   So it’s just not the Baptist’s.  The key is to publicly separate from them and make it known they are CULT members. 

Jay's picture

But the problem with that, Joeb, is that we are a very loose coalition of hundreds of churches, all of which are “independent”.  So outside of publicly naming and shaming churches, there isn’t much that can be done.  Our autonomy is out biggest weakness and our biggest strength.  Furthermore, there is nothing to stop Anderson (for example) from just going out and starting another “baptist” church elsewhere.

It’s similar to the rationale behind why the SBC can’t build a database of convicted predators in their churches.  They have no real way to enforce compliance with anything they require short of withholding funds from the Cooperative Program or expulsion from the SBC itself.  Given what we saw last year of the ten suspect churches and how seven of them were almost immediate cleared, it’s fair to question if the SBC has the willpower to do that kind of correction even if the cases were open and shut.

"Our task today is to tell people — who no longer know what sin longer see themselves as sinners, and no longer have room for these categories — that Christ died for sins of which they do not think they’re guilty." - David Wells