Congress, wild parties, and confusion about how sin really works

"In many cases, sin does express itself in shocking debauchery—but most often it expresses itself in more invisible or easily justifiable ways of 'walking in the flesh.'" - Russel Moore

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Ed Vasicek's picture

An  honest, I believe, assessment of the norm in D.C. -- with implicaitons for our own lives.  Thoughtful.

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dgszweda's picture

Well it is a great mix in Washington.  

  1. People who have power, people who are seeking to influence power and people who are vying for power.
  2. Money already in hand, money streaming into political coffers and people willing to use money to influence power.
  3. High stress job that weakens moral character and seeks relief

Throw all those together, whether it is political or industrial, and it is a great breeding ground for sin, if left unchecked.

Joeb's picture

Let's be honest can't take me off this time I'm spot on the subject.  It's MADISON CAUTHORNE who brought the subject up. Funny how no one mentions that.  CAUTHORNE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS HAVING COCAINE FUELED SEX PARTIES IN DC.  ROGER STONE BACKED CAUTHORNE'S statement.  Pretty much saying what I have been saying all along. It's the Christian Right MAGA  Legislators who are corrupt, but you'd rather take my statements down just because I'm speaking to truth and some don't want hear the TRUTH about their darlings. Oh well.  

Larry's picture

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Joeb, Your statements are frequently unpublished because they are usually off topic. You manage to turn everything into a rant about Trump and almost no one cares except you. You are correct that Madison Cauthorne raised the subject but he has not said who was at the parties. So there are no names to name as of yet.

 

Ed Vasicek's picture

Joeb wrote:

 It's the Christian Right MAGA  Legislators who are corrupt

This sounds like you are implying it is ONLY the Christian Right Legislators who are corrupt. Sounds a bit naive to me.   My viewpoint is that there is plenty of corruption by people from the entire spectrum of political views, because I believe everyone's heart is deceitful and desperately wicked, and nothing brings out human sin more than being in positions of control and power.  Since many politicians crave control, power, and influence (which is why they rise in the first place), the temptation toward corruption is great. 

I sort of see the parable of the sower in politics.

Many seek positions to get power. They don't genuinely hold convictions, though they may sound like they do.  They may not really know what a conviction is, in actuality. Think of them as sort of political psychopaths. If you want to win an election as a Republican, it is advantageous to be pro-life.  If you want to win as a Democrat, it is advantageous to be for abortion rights.

Other politicians, when they start, I believe, are well intended. They want to do "good," and that "good" is based upon their world view. Some believe they are doing good by promoting abortion rights, for example, while most of us would probably say the politicians who are promoting the right to life are doing good.  But no matter what the ideals, many lose sight of why they are elected because they cannot properly handle the power, influence, and control they now have.

Others want to do their "good", but "good" changes with the culture and is not anchored to convictions outside the culture. So when society shifts, they shift with it.

Still others, from both sides, hold to ideals and limit how corrupt they allow themselves to be, for one reason or another (sometimes conscientiousness or convictions) and stay close to their original course. Unless you study them well, it can be hard to tell who is who, and even then, man only looks on the outward appearance.

When it comes to voting, I look at candidates who I believe will do "good" based upon my worldview. But I recognize that such a "good" is often a political position to help propel one in power.  I know that many who support my views will abandon them if it is politically expedient if they are in one of the negative categories above.

Same concept in other positions of power, whether corporate or even prominent pulpits.  The temptation to indulge and  cover up sin rather than repent of it is a universal problem we all struggle with at some level.

All humans are sinful, and this article makes the point.  But all sins are not alike, and there is something about taking pains and measures to avoid the most detestable ones.  But we are not to stop there, which is the point of the article.

To say that godly living is an issue with one party and not the other is ludicrous.  Positions of power tempt toward corruption and always have. But, individually, some people resist and put up a fight, others happily go along with temptation.  And the name of their party has little to do with it.

 

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Joeb's picture

Ed no dispute but the flavor of the month is the REPUBLICANS even though Greene is doing a counter SMEAR.  Madison Cauthorne is talking about Republicans not anyone else.  In this case I agree with Roger Stone 100 %.  
 

Wait until Rachel DEHOLLANDER's  report comes out in 2 weeks it'll back Madison Cauthorne's allegations right up regarding the behavior of these Christian Right Legislators. If Gatez ever gets indicted and convicted ED then how will the RIGHT try to spread the scent to the Left.  Most of the arrows for this kind of behavior are pointing straight at the Right now.  I'm sure like any season the Left will have their season Ed so from that stand point we all sin and come short of the glory of God.  

Larry's picture

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Madison Cauthorne is talking about Republicans not anyone else.

Where did he say this?

Joeb's picture

Larry Cauthorne out partyIng with the Left.  Plus he went to the woodshed with McCarthy because he was talking about Democrats.  Sure.  
 

Get Real  The only one known to do that kind of partying is Gatez.  Plus Gatez allegedly liked to show naked Pictures of his scores out on the house floor.  Right now it fully fits with the Christian Right Behavior if you throw in Jerry Falwell Jr to boot LARRY.  Wait until DeHollander's report comes out in 2 weeks that will add to it considering Paige Patterson is a big time Christian Right Operator.  So it's pretty clear the Political Party whose allegedly having sex parties are the Christian Right guys.   As my Former SBC Pastor brother calls them Christian in name only Larry.  
 

Note Cauthorne said it was people who inspired him Larry ie Republicans meaning Christian Righties.  

Joeb's picture

After he came out of the Woodshed he doubled down and Roger Stone backed him saying it was true. Only repeating what Cauthorne said True or not. Like I said Larry get real.